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Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates

From RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates
Date 2025-04-21 04:47 +0000
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On 2025-04-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 4/18/25 16:46, RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-04-18, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2025-04-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2025-04-17 10:04, Borax Man wrote:
>>>>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
>>>>> On 2025-04-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-04-16 23:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 08:55:12 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At what point do we finally give up?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When the people start to see through those vendors’ multi-million-dollar
>>>>>>> marketing campaigns telling everybody how wonderful they are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In other words, never.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would blame the ignorance of the common user much more than any
>>>>>> marketing campaign. You'd be surprised at how oblivious most people are
>>>>>> to the operating system they're using. Heck, this complete disregard of
>>>>>> the operating system is part of what made it easy for me to "sell" the
>>>>>> idea of using Linux to people who owned HP laptops which had tremendous
>>>>>> problems with Windows or to teachers who simply want to be able to use
>>>>>> their computers rather than constantly be locked out of them. As long as
>>>>>> the operating system manages to get the job done, they don't care if
>>>>>> it's Linux or Windows. My dad is one such person. He actually much
>>>>>> preferred Mint to Windows when I installed it on a cheap laptop I got
>>>>>> him, but he's fine with Windows on the Intel NUC he eventually replaced
>>>>>> that machine with. Until it bugs out, there is no reason to switch over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can confirm, at least in some cases.  My wife needed a new laptop, but
>>>>> she wanted Apple.  They're expensive, far more so when all you do is use
>>>>> a web-browser.  So I said I'll take care of the laptop, I'll find one
>>>>> that is second hand, and will be supported for a long long time.  (One
>>>>> of the bugbears she had about Apple was how the OS and software become
>>>>> obsolete and could not be upgraded).  I put Linux, and there was a tiny
>>>>> bit of teething because it was different, but she's been using it for
>>>>> years successfully.  She's has no idea about Linux, doesn't know she's
>>>>> running Fedora.  Shes used my desktop machine, so had a little
>>>>> familiarity with it.  But surprisingly, theres be no issues, and few
>>>>> questions, aside from "how do I copy files from the USB stick" and some
>>>>> desktop config.
>>>>
>>>> That's part of why I didn't mind that my very low bid for this Apple
>>>> laptop was successful, and that I needed to pursue the purchase. To an
>>>> Apple user, this MacBook Air 2017 is obsolete and meant for little more
>>>> than recycling. For me, it does everything I would need a laptop to do
>>>> at work. With Linux, it stays out of the landfill and can continue to be
>>>> used for another decade. Heck, I might use it until I retire. Unlike
>>>> most other teachers, I am _aware_ that it uses Linux, but I am also
>>>> aware that our work does not require this kind of hardware to be
>>>> upgraded as often as our boards and manufacturers require us to.
>>>>
>>>>> I think that people who know next to nothing, will find a switch to
>>>>> Linux easier, because they have so few ingraned workflows and
>>>>> expectations, and use the system at such a shallow level, that you could
>>>>> switch and they'll barely notice, as long as the desktop is roughly
>>>>> similar.  It is more the intermediate users, who would be disrupted the
>>>>> most.
>>>>
>>>> The desktops being roughly similar is only a necessity for users who
>>>> were already old when they learned MacOS or Windows and did so
>>>> stubbornly. Considering how difficult it was for them to adopt that
>>>> much, you wouldn't want to put an entirely different operating system in
>>>> front of them. For anyone else, a switch from Windows to Gnome or
>>>> Cinnamon shouldn't be such a chore.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I switched a friend to Linux, as he wanted to escape Microsoft AI and
>>> surveillance and the like.  He wanted a distro most similar to Windows
>>> for the desktop, but as I had already installed Linux Mint on the
>>> laptop, using Cinnamon, I decided he's better off having his desktop
>>> computer configured to be the same as the laptop.  No issues so far.
>>> Cinnamon is quite Windows-like.  Gnome on the other hand, I think that
>>> is more of a leap.  I myself didn't really find it all that usable or
>>> appealing.
>> 
>> I think if you're coming over from a Mac Ubuntu might be more appealing. I
>> say this just because it seems to look more like a Mac, not because of what
>> little Mac experience I have.
>
> I would say that Ubuntu's default interface is actually superior to what 
> MacOS offers. It might not have hardware that integrates intelligently 
> with the desktop, but it has a number of things Mac users can only 
> manage to do if they install additional software. Snapping to the sides, 
> for example. Ubuntu 25.04 also has hardware support that is superior to 
> MacOS since it runs on practically every imaginable configuration under 
> the sun, can detect just about any printer and scanner without requiring 
> additional drivers, and even manages to have excellent gamepad support. 
> For example, I have a Thrustmaster eSwap X Pro that needs additional 
> software even in Windows. In 24.10, it didn't detect, but in 25.04 it 
> works out of the box. I would say that this release actually works 
> better on my hardware by default than even Windows does.

I'm not really a fan of either Ubuntu's desktop or Mac's desktop, so I'll 
not argue on this point. I know I don't like Window snapping, but there are 
a few things in the Mac's desktop I don't like at all (I've mentioned them 
in the past). So I'm quite willing to believe Ubuntu's desktop is better 
than Mac's, but still not something I like or want to use.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-16 08:55 -0400
  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-17 03:06 +0000
    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-17 08:48 -0400
      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-17 14:04 +0000
        Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-17 10:14 -0400
          Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-18 05:36 +0000
            Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-18 09:23 +0000
              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-18 09:35 +0000
                Wayland (was: Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-18 09:57 +0000
                Re: Wayland % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 06:21 -0700
                Re: Wayland Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-18 12:10 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-04-18 10:51 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-18 12:08 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-19 10:24 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 06:20 -0700
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-18 10:11 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 20:57 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-19 10:01 +0000
              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-18 07:24 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 20:51 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-19 07:46 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 05:01 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-21 08:00 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 22:10 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-21 05:48 +0000
              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 20:48 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-19 07:45 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 05:00 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-21 07:59 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 20:12 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-21 21:00 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 22:08 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-22 00:58 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-22 01:05 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-21 21:16 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-22 06:11 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-22 07:51 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-22 08:58 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-22 18:23 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-22 15:03 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-23 03:45 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 05:15 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-22 06:09 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-22 08:53 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-22 18:40 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 05:20 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-23 09:09 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-24 12:45 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-21 21:06 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-22 06:13 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-22 08:54 -0400
              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-21 05:46 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-04-21 10:46 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-21 12:35 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 20:54 +0000
            Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 06:19 -0700
          Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-18 09:21 +0000
            Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 20:46 +0000
              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-19 07:43 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 04:47 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-04-23 02:33 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-23 03:48 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-04-23 04:07 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 07:02 -0700
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 05:22 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-23 07:21 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 07:03 -0700
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 07:01 -0700
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-24 08:42 -0400
      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> - 2025-04-18 09:36 +0100
        Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-18 18:07 +0000
          Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-19 21:56 +1000
            Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-19 09:15 -0400
              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-04-21 01:46 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 02:22 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-04-23 02:29 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-23 03:58 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-04-23 04:11 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-23 07:36 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-23 18:16 -0500
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-24 00:14 +0000
              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-21 19:40 +1000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-04-21 10:41 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-04-21 16:09 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 12:22 -0700
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 19:38 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-22 14:47 -0500
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-23 04:02 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-23 08:38 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 19:32 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-22 19:58 +1000
        Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-21 05:43 +0000
          Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 19:25 +0000
            Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 12:33 -0700
  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 05:02 -0400

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