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On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 04:07:34PM -0700, fir wrote:
> W dniu piątek, 17 kwietnia 2015 00:51:56 UTC+2 użytkownik fma...@gmail.com napisał:
> > On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 12:38:22 AM UTC+2, fir wrote:
> > > this, i mean that
> > > there are just no tutorials for some things 
> > > and when you have no tutorial you have to invent it yourelf and this is
> > > really much harder (using tutorials is reletively easy
> > > but if you habe no one it is quite other kind of quest)
> > > seem quite possible that this is a reason,
> > > i feel quite weak in such areas where i have no invented ways to turn into a
> > > code 9some things are easy and you dont need a tutorial but im aspeaking
> > > about those a bit harder..
> > > 
> > 
> > Don't follow any tutorial anymore: seriously, they just hurt your growth as
> > a programmer.
> > First study the basics, then read the code of other people you like (or of
> > the softwares you like, if you can), and experiment by yourself a lot: if you
> > have no clue it's fine, don't try to create, try to think about what you
> > know and what other more experienced people do and adapt everything to your
> > very specific situation.
> > 
> > This is not my idea: it's simply called "learning process" and it's the same
> > in any field, at any age at any level: study, observe, repeat.
> > 
> do not following the tutorials is probably to hard for me, i am mostly if not only following tutorials, this is easy and good, it doeasnt
> mean that i dont know what im doing, this just spares me a harder thinking ;<
> 
> the problem is i sometimes need to run something a bit more complex and i got no
> tutorial (and also no source of others etc 
> as those are my own ideas (one is for example 
> coding a very good (almost biologically) looking AI for enemy spaceship in space etc,
> could also find other cases of this type of problems)
> 
> Experimenting much and fucusing myself is
> an option though still it all stays an heavy obstacle as "experiment and focus " are easy to say but much harder to do sometimes

These days I begin by designing a set of data structures that embody
the characteristics of the thing or process that I wish to model or
work with.  Then I might start coding and through an iterative process
the data structures are refined as required to satisfy any
requirements that arise as the code takes form.  I imagine when I am a
better programmer the process will quicken.

The difficulty with computer programming is often identifying all of
the details that are pertinent to the problem you are trying to solve.
There are a lot of language syntax tutorials but there does not seem to
be much in the way of teaching the algorithm design process.  (I will
have to remember to revisit this topic the next time I am in a good
university library.  The local public library does not much concern
itself with computer programming literature.)

At this time I find I am reinventing a lot of wheels because the
problem that I wish to solve requires a close integration of many
parts and there do not seem to be existing components of the right
mix.  It is frustrating.



Regards,

Steve Thompson

-- 
"If I had a nickel for every time some idiot called me about a
computer problem that turned out to be user error, I would be able to
retire and spend the rest of my days cultivating clues in my backyard
hillside garden."  -- MysteryDog in 24hoursupport.helpdesk.

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[sot] obstacles fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-04-16 10:17 -0700
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          Re: [sot] obstacles fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-04-16 16:07 -0700
            Re: [sot] obstacles Steve Thompson <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 03:46 +0000
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                Re: [sot] obstacles Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2015-04-17 15:49 -0500
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                Re: [sot] obstacles fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 16:50 -0700
                Re: [sot] obstacles Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-04-17 20:36 -0700
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