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Re: metaphors and feminism

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Hello Stacey and debian-project

El 29/3/19 a las 8:42, Stacey Lee escribió:
> Hello everybody
[...]

  You are all men

mmmm no.

and maybe you don't
> understand empathy so this doesn't make sense to you.
[...]
> When most women in tech quietly work so hard to get respect for our coding,
> with all the obstacles we face, why do you insult all of us by letting
> Molly de Blanc jump the queue and call herself a developer,

We call Debian Developer to the Debian contributors who have Debian finished the 
New Member process: the process of becoming an official Debian Developer (DD) [1].

[1] https://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint

This process allows people contributing code to Debian to become Debian 
Developer, and allows people making other valuable contributions to become 
Debian Developer as well.

For example, I don't maintain any Debian package but I participate in the 
publicity team, the website team and the Spanish translation team, so I decided 
at some time to go through the New Member process and became a Debian Developer.

Other people regardless of gender have done the same and contribute to develop 
Debian (the operating system, and/or the community) in other areas (outreach 
efforts, event organisation, accounting, legal advice, artwork, etc).

[...]

> a developer. Where is her code? Interns are even complaining about
> her, I found this on a blog:

Debian (the operating system, and the community) is developed by volunteers in 
their free time. Sometimes our responsiveness in specific tasks or issues is 
poorer than what is expected and what we ourselves would like to be. But we're 
human and life happens, we try to improve and usually welcome help in most of 
the teams. Other times, the work is done behind the scenes so the public info is 
only part of what is happening.

In any case, AFAIU the lack of responsiveness that you point out is not related 
to Debian, so that's an issue that maybe it's better to be clarified with the 
persons or organisations involved.

[...]

> Do the rest of us women have to give up coding and run around putting
> labels on men to become developers in this community? 

Definitely not. All the contributions are welcome, we try to offer a place in 
Debian for every different skill set.

Usually a mix of skills is needed: even if you contribute mostly code, some 
communication skills are needed, sometimes you will need to take decisions about 
choosing artwork, deal with paperwork, write a blog article, or vote about 
non-technical proposals. The opposite works as well: even when contributing in 
non-coding areas, you'll probably have to deal with encryption and sometimes 
complex  interfaces, use the Debian BTS, use git repositories, look at source 
code or write some piece of software to solve some automation issue that affects 
your team, or vote on technical proposals.

For me, being
> a feminist and being a developer don't mean the same things 

I believe that there are many kind of feminisms and developers, and all them are 
welcome as long as they interact constructively with our community [2].

[2] https://www.debian.org/intro/diversity

Kind regards,
-- 
Laura Arjona Reina
https://wiki.debian.org/LauraArjona

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metaphors and feminism Stacey Lee <staceylee@mailbox.org> - 2019-03-29 08:50 +0100
  Re: metaphors and feminism Laura Arjona Reina <larjona@debian.org> - 2019-03-29 11:20 +0100
    Re: metaphors and feminism Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2019-03-30 04:00 +0100
      Re: metaphors and feminism Zlatan Todorić <zlatan@riseup.net> - 2019-03-30 06:50 +0100
      Re: metaphors and feminism Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2019-03-30 19:50 +0100
        Re: metaphors and feminism Judit Foglszinger <fgrfgr@freenet.de> - 2019-03-30 20:50 +0100
        Re: metaphors and feminism Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2019-03-30 21:30 +0100
          Re: metaphors and feminism Mike Hommey <mh@glandium.org> - 2019-03-30 23:30 +0100
            Re: metaphors and feminism Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2019-03-31 01:00 +0100
              Re: metaphors and feminism Mike Hommey <mh@glandium.org> - 2019-03-31 05:00 +0200
                Re: metaphors and feminism Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> - 2019-03-31 11:30 +0200
                Re: metaphors and feminism Michael Neuffer <neuffer@neuffer.com> - 2019-03-31 12:50 +0200
        Re: metaphors and feminism Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-03-31 01:40 +0100
          Re: metaphors and feminism Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> - 2019-03-31 09:50 +0200
          Re: metaphors and feminism Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2019-03-31 17:30 +0200
      Re: metaphors and feminism Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2019-03-31 08:50 +0200
  Re: metaphors and feminism Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2019-03-29 13:10 +0100
  Re: metaphors and feminism Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2019-04-01 00:20 +0200

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