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| From | Stacey Lee <staceylee@mailbox.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.project |
| Subject | metaphors and feminism |
| Date | 2019-03-29 08:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xGUqZ-8hs-1@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
| Organization | linux.* mail to news gateway |
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Hello everybody I'm an outsider here but I couldn't ignore what is going on. People are making a huge fuss about the choice of political metaphors and some people seem to be against them and other people said they are only metaphors. I found them really helpful for understanding how some people feel betrayed by this community. You are all men and maybe you don't understand empathy so this doesn't make sense to you. Some of you are having a hissy fit when somebody uses a metaphor. It is really unbecoming. You seem really upset about people comparing members who feel betrayed to political prisoners, you said that is insulting to victims of physical prisons. When most women in tech quietly work so hard to get respect for our coding, with all the obstacles we face, why do you insult all of us by letting Molly de Blanc jump the queue and call herself a developer, but you squeal like a stuck pig when somebody dares to use the word gulag, but only as a metaphor? If you want to be so picky, there is no way Molly can call herself a developer. Where is her code? Interns are even complaining about her, I found this on a blog: "The main thing I want to note is that you do your work not so good. You haven't responded to me and also during the last round of Outreachy you have provide almost to no response to applicants of Outreachy FSF project. I asked some of them and they said that you haven't helped them: https://lists.fsf.org/archive/html/esd-translators/2018-03/index.html . Though, you were a mentor of this project. At the same time, I can't see where you were useful for me. You haven't answered to me, you haven't answered to applicants. So, it would be great if you can improve your usefulness." When you call her a developer, it smells like patronism. Every time this happens it makes it so much harder for every other woman to be taken seriously. Do the rest of us women have to give up coding and run around putting labels on men to become developers in this community? For me, being a feminist and being a developer don't mean the same things that they mean for Molly. Please don't let these women with their yellow vests, lanyards and whistles take that away from me. Greetings, Stacey
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metaphors and feminism Stacey Lee <staceylee@mailbox.org> - 2019-03-29 08:50 +0100
Re: metaphors and feminism Laura Arjona Reina <larjona@debian.org> - 2019-03-29 11:20 +0100
Re: metaphors and feminism Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2019-03-30 04:00 +0100
Re: metaphors and feminism Zlatan Todorić <zlatan@riseup.net> - 2019-03-30 06:50 +0100
Re: metaphors and feminism Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2019-03-30 19:50 +0100
Re: metaphors and feminism Judit Foglszinger <fgrfgr@freenet.de> - 2019-03-30 20:50 +0100
Re: metaphors and feminism Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2019-03-30 21:30 +0100
Re: metaphors and feminism Mike Hommey <mh@glandium.org> - 2019-03-30 23:30 +0100
Re: metaphors and feminism Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2019-03-31 01:00 +0100
Re: metaphors and feminism Mike Hommey <mh@glandium.org> - 2019-03-31 05:00 +0200
Re: metaphors and feminism Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> - 2019-03-31 11:30 +0200
Re: metaphors and feminism Michael Neuffer <neuffer@neuffer.com> - 2019-03-31 12:50 +0200
Re: metaphors and feminism Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-03-31 01:40 +0100
Re: metaphors and feminism Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> - 2019-03-31 09:50 +0200
Re: metaphors and feminism Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2019-03-31 17:30 +0200
Re: metaphors and feminism Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2019-03-31 08:50 +0200
Re: metaphors and feminism Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2019-03-29 13:10 +0100
Re: metaphors and feminism Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2019-04-01 00:20 +0200
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