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Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

From Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: mailing list vs "the futur"
Date 2018-08-28 15:00 +0200
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On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 01:16:45PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
>NNTP was inefficient in this regard compared to what other protocol or
>protocols, exactly?

FTP and later HTTP, which handled binaries efficiently. In fact, one was 
even named in a way to suggest it was a good way to transfer files. :)

>May I ask, did you use Usenet in this timeframe?

Yes, academic, commercial ISP, and paid subscription servers. I also had 
some insight into what it took to keep the servers running, not just the 
user-side view... I followed a number of text groups, until the signal 
to noise ratio got low enough to make it not worth the effort.

>I disagree. This attitude (that anonymity was the primary driver) is redolent
>of the confused or skewed training courses I referred to above. Whilst I can
>accept that some people may have perceived Usenet to be anonymous, they were of
>course wrong both then and now (and this was well known to technical users back
>at that time).

You seem to have an overly idealistic view of the level of logging on 
most news servers 20 years ago. Also, for the record, I don't think I 
ever had a "training course" on usenet.

As far as being wrong...if LE siezed an anonymous FTP server 
distributing illegal content and either reviewed its logs or monitored 
its link they could get a list of each IP that accessed content. There 
is no central point from which you can see who accessed usenet content.  
You might be able to get that by investigating every usenet server on 
the internet, but it's enough of a harder problem that access was 
effectively anonymous up until large providers started actively trying 
to address certain kinds of activity (and then, only for those 
providers). You may be referring to whether the posting is anonymous, 
which is a quite different question. It's certainly much easier to track 
a post to a single origin, though jurisdictional boundaries could make 
it hard to actually do anything with that information. The bottom line 
is that for a period of time, usenet was the easiest way to obtain 
certain illegal content. There were certainly overblown reports that 
usenet was nothing but illegal content, and it's certainly possible to 
transfer illegal content via other protocols, but it's naive and/or 
disingenous to pretend that usenet didn't have a problem.

>I should add that I described Usenet as an "efficient" distribution medium
>above and it most certainly was efficient in this respect. Even though, as you
>say, NNTP needs to encode binaries, Usenet was still efficient because of its
>one-to-many capability and its asynchronous capability. It just worked.

The one to many capability simply didn't outweigh the enormous volume of 
one-to-none-via-many. Even back in the day there were a lot of really 
passionate advocates of the theoretical greatness of the service, with 
no clue of how much it was costing to provide.

>And let me re-iterate that none of this history, whilst interesting,
>particularly relates to NNTP's continued suitability for discussion groups such
>as this one.

Well, there's no particularly relevant discussion of how suitable it is 
for email lists like this one. :) If 25 years of advocacy haven't 
managed to get debian to understand how wonderful it would be to switch 
from SMTP lists to NNTP groups, it's really unlikely to happen going 
forward. Instead, it's likely that the theoretical advantages don't 
nearly outweigh the practical disadvantages.

Mike Stone

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mailing list vs "the futur" tech <tech@rkn.ovh> - 2018-08-09 19:40 +0200
  Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-08-09 19:50 +0200
    RE: mailing list vs "the futur" tech <tech@rkn.ovh> - 2018-08-09 20:10 +0200
      RE: mailing list vs "the futur" tech <tech@rkn.ovh> - 2018-08-09 20:20 +0200
        RE: mailing list vs "the futur" deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 01:30 +0200
      Re: mailing list vs "the futur" David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-10 03:10 +0200
      Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-10 12:30 +0200
        Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> - 2018-08-10 13:30 +0200
          Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-08-10 14:00 +0200
          Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-10 14:00 +0200
            Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2018-08-10 14:40 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-10 15:00 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-10 15:10 +0200
            Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> - 2018-08-10 14:50 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dave Sherohman <dave@sherohman.org> - 2018-08-10 15:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-10 16:20 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2018-08-10 15:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-08-10 18:00 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2018-08-10 15:20 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-10 15:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-08-11 11:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-12 14:30 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-10 15:30 +0200
            Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-08-11 10:40 +0200
            Re: Re: mailing list vs "the futur" dekkzz78@gmail.com - 2018-08-11 11:10 +0200
          Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-12 15:50 +0200
        Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-10 13:50 +0200
          Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-10 16:20 +0200
          Re: mailing list vs "the futur" rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 22:10 +0200
            Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-23 22:30 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 03:50 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2018-08-09 21:30 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-10 12:30 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 21:30 +0200
      Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "Martin McCormick" <martin.m@suddenlink.net> - 2018-08-23 23:00 +0200
      Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Piotr Martyniuk <zaxonxp45@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 08:10 +0200
        Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-24 08:30 +0200
          Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Piotr Martyniuk <zaxonxp45@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 09:00 +0200
            Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-24 11:50 +0200
        Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-08-24 21:00 +0200
          Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-24 21:20 +0200
            Re: mailing list vs "the futur" The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2018-08-24 22:40 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-24 23:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-25 01:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-25 02:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-25 21:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-25 21:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-27 17:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-27 17:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-27 18:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-27 22:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-27 22:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 10:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 13:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 15:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-28 15:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-28 16:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-28 20:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 16:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-28 16:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 16:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-28 17:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 17:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 21:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-29 00:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-29 01:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-29 03:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 03:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 09:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-29 17:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-29 17:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 18:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-29 19:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-29 19:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-30 12:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-30 14:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-30 15:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-30 21:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-31 12:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dave Sherohman <dave@sherohman.org> - 2018-09-04 12:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-04 14:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-04 15:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-04 17:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-04 18:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-04 18:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-04 19:50 +0200
                [Off-topic] Was: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 20:20 +0200
                Re: [Off-topic] Was: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-04 20:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 03:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-05 04:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-09-05 09:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 20:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-04 20:30 +0200
                [Off-topic] Was: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 20:50 +0200
                Re: [Off-topic] Was: mailing list vs "the futur" Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 21:20 +0200
                Re: [Off-topic] Was: mailing list vs "the futur" Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-09-04 21:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-09-04 17:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-04 15:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-09-04 16:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 12:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-09-01 12:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-29 18:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-08-29 19:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-08-29 02:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 09:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 12:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 12:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 12:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 12:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 12:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 13:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 14:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 14:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 15:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 17:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 18:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 21:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-30 12:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-30 14:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-29 17:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 21:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-30 00:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-30 01:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2018-09-01 20:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-01 22:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2018-09-01 23:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-09-02 10:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-02 15:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-09-02 15:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-02 16:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-09-02 16:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-09-02 17:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-09-02 18:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-02 17:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-02 18:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-09-02 18:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2018-09-03 07:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-09-03 08:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-09-03 07:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-03 13:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-09-03 15:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-03 16:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-09-03 13:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 12:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-08-29 12:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 11:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-01 16:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-29 13:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 13:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 13:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-29 14:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 14:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-29 14:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 14:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-29 14:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 14:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-29 14:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-29 14:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 15:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-29 14:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 14:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-28 14:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-28 01:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-28 09:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 13:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 14:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 15:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 16:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 16:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 18:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 18:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 19:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-08-28 20:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 20:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 20:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 20:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-28 22:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 18:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 19:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-08-28 20:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 16:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 10:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-27 19:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-28 01:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-28 05:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-25 12:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-25 14:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-25 15:30 +0200
      Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 15:30 +0200
        Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-24 18:20 +0200
          Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-08-24 18:40 +0200
            Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 19:20 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-08-24 19:50 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-08-24 19:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 20:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 20:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-24 20:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-25 01:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dave Sherohman <dave@sherohman.org> - 2018-08-27 10:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 13:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-27 14:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-27 16:00 +0200
                Re: Re: mailing list vs "the futur" dekkzz78@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 16:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 17:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-08-25 10:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-08-25 02:50 +0200
  Re: mailing list is the future (corrected spelling mistakes) Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2018-08-09 20:10 +0200
  Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2018-08-09 21:10 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-12 16:00 +0200
  Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2018-08-09 22:20 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-08-11 11:10 +0200
      Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-12 16:10 +0200
  Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> - 2018-08-10 01:40 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-11 00:00 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Rob van der Putten <rob@sput.nl> - 2018-08-11 11:50 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-12 16:20 +0200
      Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-08-12 20:10 +0200
        Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-13 12:30 +0200
          Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-13 16:00 +0200
      Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-13 12:30 +0200
  Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2018-08-10 10:30 +0200
  Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-08-10 12:00 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Shea Alterio <krusete@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 18:50 +0200
  Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-10 12:50 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-08-11 14:30 +0200
      Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-11 15:30 +0200
        Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-08-13 15:30 +0200
          Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-13 16:00 +0200
            Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-13 16:20 +0200
  Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-11 00:00 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" arne <sp113438@telfort.nl> - 2018-08-11 00:50 +0200
  Re: mailing list vs "the futur" dekkzz78@gmail.com - 2018-08-11 11:00 +0200

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