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Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

From Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: mailing list vs "the futur"
Date 2018-08-28 13:50 +0200
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On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 09:15:43AM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
>You appear to be conflating the NNTP protocol with Usenet, the global message
>transmission network. They are different things. Usenet as we currently know it
>relies on NNTP but NNTP is not Usenet.
>
>Whilst I agree that it is true that ISPs stopped running their own
>Usenet-linked NNTP servers for the reasons you describe, it is nevertheless
>wholly false to say that NNTP is the problem in this context. The problem was
>Usenet and the massive bulk of binary groups. NNTP was not and is not to blame
>for Usenet's excess. Any distribution protocol would have been a bandwidth hog
>in those circumstances.

Yes and no. NNTP is inherently open to abuse because it wasn't designed 
with mechanisms to account for the cost of a transaction. (This is true 
of all the early internet protocols, not just NNTP, which is why we 
have, e.g., such a spam problem on SMTP.) But certainly you can identify 
or deal with an abusive customer on HTTP much easier than you can 
identify and remediate abuse within the noise of an NNTP feed. I 
remember the heroic efforts that abuse staff were trying in the mid to 
late 90s, but it just wasn't possible. SMTP was able to mitigate the 
worst problems by instituting spam filters and dropping connections from 
shady corners of the internet--especially open relays. But this was 
possible even to approach because SMTP involves a known sender and a 
known receiever, so if a message is lost either the sender or receiever 
can try to resolve the problem. It's much less clear how you cut off 
NNTP servers without getting silently-disconnected islands of news and a 
horrible user experience for everyone. You can "solve" the problem by 
keeping NNTP in a walled garden (disconnecting from usenet) but then you 
lose a lot of the inherent advantages of NNTP and end up with a protocol 
that's kinda overweight for the simple problem of transferring a few 
text messages in a client/server fashion. In theory it would be nice to 
just be able to access web-based discussion lists via NNTP so you could 
use a generic client and customize the interface. But this isn't a thing 
that's done much; the NNTP protocol is both too complicated and also too 
lacking in functionality that modern discussion group members look for. 
There are probably more people using tapatalk for that purpose--even 
though it's hideous and proprietary--simply because it's a better fit 
than NNTP for a modern discussion group.

Mike Stone

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mailing list vs "the futur" tech <tech@rkn.ovh> - 2018-08-09 19:40 +0200
  Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-08-09 19:50 +0200
    RE: mailing list vs "the futur" tech <tech@rkn.ovh> - 2018-08-09 20:10 +0200
      RE: mailing list vs "the futur" tech <tech@rkn.ovh> - 2018-08-09 20:20 +0200
        RE: mailing list vs "the futur" deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 01:30 +0200
      Re: mailing list vs "the futur" David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-10 03:10 +0200
      Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-10 12:30 +0200
        Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> - 2018-08-10 13:30 +0200
          Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-08-10 14:00 +0200
          Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-10 14:00 +0200
            Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2018-08-10 14:40 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-10 15:00 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-10 15:10 +0200
            Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> - 2018-08-10 14:50 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dave Sherohman <dave@sherohman.org> - 2018-08-10 15:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-10 16:20 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2018-08-10 15:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" cyaiplexys <cyaiplexys@sitesplace.net> - 2018-08-10 18:00 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2018-08-10 15:20 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-10 15:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-08-11 11:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-12 14:30 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-10 15:30 +0200
            Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-08-11 10:40 +0200
            Re: Re: mailing list vs "the futur" dekkzz78@gmail.com - 2018-08-11 11:10 +0200
          Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-12 15:50 +0200
        Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-10 13:50 +0200
          Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-10 16:20 +0200
          Re: mailing list vs "the futur" rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 22:10 +0200
            Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-23 22:30 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 03:50 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2018-08-09 21:30 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-10 12:30 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 21:30 +0200
      Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "Martin McCormick" <martin.m@suddenlink.net> - 2018-08-23 23:00 +0200
      Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Piotr Martyniuk <zaxonxp45@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 08:10 +0200
        Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-24 08:30 +0200
          Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Piotr Martyniuk <zaxonxp45@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 09:00 +0200
            Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-24 11:50 +0200
        Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-08-24 21:00 +0200
          Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-24 21:20 +0200
            Re: mailing list vs "the futur" The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2018-08-24 22:40 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-24 23:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-25 01:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-25 02:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-25 21:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-25 21:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-27 17:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-27 17:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-27 18:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-27 22:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-27 22:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 10:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 13:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 15:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-28 15:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-28 16:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-28 20:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 16:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-28 16:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 16:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-28 17:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 17:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 21:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-29 00:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-29 01:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-29 03:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 03:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 09:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-29 17:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-29 17:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 18:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-29 19:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-29 19:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-30 12:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-30 14:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-30 15:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-30 21:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-31 12:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dave Sherohman <dave@sherohman.org> - 2018-09-04 12:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-04 14:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-04 15:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-04 17:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-04 18:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-04 18:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-04 19:50 +0200
                [Off-topic] Was: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 20:20 +0200
                Re: [Off-topic] Was: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-04 20:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 03:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-05 04:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-09-05 09:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 20:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-04 20:30 +0200
                [Off-topic] Was: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 20:50 +0200
                Re: [Off-topic] Was: mailing list vs "the futur" Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 21:20 +0200
                Re: [Off-topic] Was: mailing list vs "the futur" Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-09-04 21:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-09-04 17:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-04 15:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-09-04 16:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 12:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-09-01 12:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-29 18:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-08-29 19:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-08-29 02:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 09:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 12:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 12:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 12:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 12:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 12:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 13:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 14:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 14:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 15:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 17:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 18:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 21:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-30 12:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-30 14:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-29 17:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 21:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-30 00:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-30 01:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2018-09-01 20:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-01 22:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2018-09-01 23:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-09-02 10:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-02 15:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-09-02 15:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-02 16:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-09-02 16:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-09-02 17:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-09-02 18:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-02 17:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-02 18:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-09-02 18:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2018-09-03 07:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-09-03 08:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-09-03 07:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-03 13:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-09-03 15:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-03 16:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-09-03 13:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 12:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-08-29 12:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 11:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-09-01 16:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-29 13:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-29 13:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 13:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-29 14:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 14:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-29 14:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 14:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-29 14:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-29 14:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-29 14:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-29 14:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 15:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-29 14:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-29 14:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-28 14:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-28 01:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-28 09:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 13:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 14:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 15:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 16:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 16:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 18:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 18:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 19:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-08-28 20:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 20:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 20:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 20:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-28 22:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 18:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-28 19:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-08-28 20:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 16:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-28 10:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-27 19:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-28 01:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-28 05:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-25 12:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-25 14:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-25 15:30 +0200
      Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 15:30 +0200
        Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-24 18:20 +0200
          Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-08-24 18:40 +0200
            Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 19:20 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-08-24 19:50 +0200
              Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-08-24 19:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 20:10 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 20:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-08-24 20:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-25 01:40 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dave Sherohman <dave@sherohman.org> - 2018-08-27 10:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 13:50 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-27 14:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-27 16:00 +0200
                Re: Re: mailing list vs "the futur" dekkzz78@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 16:20 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" rhkramer@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 17:30 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-08-25 10:00 +0200
                Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2018-08-25 02:50 +0200
  Re: mailing list is the future (corrected spelling mistakes) Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2018-08-09 20:10 +0200
  Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2018-08-09 21:10 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-12 16:00 +0200
  Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2018-08-09 22:20 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-08-11 11:10 +0200
      Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-12 16:10 +0200
  Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> - 2018-08-10 01:40 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-11 00:00 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Rob van der Putten <rob@sput.nl> - 2018-08-11 11:50 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-12 16:20 +0200
      Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-08-12 20:10 +0200
        Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-13 12:30 +0200
          Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-13 16:00 +0200
      Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-08-13 12:30 +0200
  Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2018-08-10 10:30 +0200
  Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-08-10 12:00 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Shea Alterio <krusete@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 18:50 +0200
  Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-10 12:50 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2018-08-11 14:30 +0200
      Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-11 15:30 +0200
        Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-08-13 15:30 +0200
          Re: mailing list vs "the futur" <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-13 16:00 +0200
            Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2018-08-13 16:20 +0200
  Re: mailing list vs "the futur" Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com> - 2018-08-11 00:00 +0200
    Re: mailing list vs "the futur" arne <sp113438@telfort.nl> - 2018-08-11 00:50 +0200
  Re: mailing list vs "the futur" dekkzz78@gmail.com - 2018-08-11 11:00 +0200

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