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| From | Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet |
| Date | 2018-03-23 04:10 +0100 |
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On 23/03/18 14:44, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Christ, Richard :-) > why are we still discussing this. (And what does it have to do > with the original question about "Federated, decentralised communication > on the internet?" ... which was originally a question about how > "hostname" is used by Debian) Agreed. Apologies for the deviation. > But... > > An FQDN defines the location of an entity in the DNS tree. For a host - > which is what we've been discussing, and generally what one is talking > about when talking about FQDN's an FQDN consists of both a hostname AND > a domain name. (Again, in the Linux context, one is generally making > the distinction between "hostname," "network name," and "fully qualified > domain name" - often in the context of setting up a machine, or the > "hostname" and "dnsdomainname" commands, "hostname --fqdn", or the files > where such information is stored.) > > When it comes to hosts, it is generally understood that the FQDN > consists of both the hostname and domainname, and an awful lot of > protocol specs cite (and quote) https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1983 - > the "Internet Users' Glossary" which says... > > Fully Qualified Domain Name (FQDN) > The FQDN is the full name of a system, rather than just its > hostname. For example, "venera" is a hostname and > "venera.isi.edu" is an FQDN. See also: hostname, Domain Name > System. Another reference, thanks. Still not specific. > Now, arguably, "." is an FQDN specifying the very top of the DNS tree, > and "com" (or "com.") specifies the top of the com domain - but who > really cares. Particularly since the whole discussion started around > fully qualified HOST names. This is my point. And AFAIK DNS would happily accept an A record for com, and probably . too. (I haven't tried it in BIND; I should ...) > Another common definition of an FQDN is that it uniquely identifies a > node in the DNS tree. By that view "." is the FQDN for the top of the > tree, and "com" (or "com." is the top of the .com domain - but who > really cares, except for pedantic purposes. When talking about specs and RFCs (which maybe only I was), surely pedantic purposes are what it's all about? > There aren't any > nameservers that resolve "." or "com" or "mil" - implying that there are > no records in the system for them (maybe there should be, but that's > another question for another day). There might not be A, AAAA or MX records, but there are certainly servers, and they serve at least SOA and NS (and RRSIG) records for all 3 of those. Again, apologies for the aside that got a bit carried away. Richard
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Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet (was: domain names, was: hostname) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-03-21 22:10 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet (was: domain names, was: hostname) Forest Dean Feighner <forest.feighner@gmail.com> - 2018-03-21 22:10 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet (was: domain names, was: hostname) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-03-21 22:30 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet (was: domain names, was: hostname) Forest <forest.feighner@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 01:40 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet (was: domain names, was: hostname) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 21:40 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet (was: domain names, was: hostname) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-03-21 09:10 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet (was: domain names, was: hostname) terryc <terryc@woa.com.au> - 2018-03-21 10:40 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet (was: domain names, was: hostname) "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-03-22 07:30 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet (was: domain names, was: hostname) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 19:00 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@surfnaked.ca> - 2018-03-21 16:50 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-03-21 17:10 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-03-21 17:40 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-03-21 18:00 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-03-21 21:40 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-03-21 22:30 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-03-21 23:00 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-03-21 23:30 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-03-22 01:10 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-03-22 01:10 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-03-21 21:50 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-03-21 22:50 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-03-21 23:50 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2018-03-22 09:40 +0100
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Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-03-23 01:50 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-03-21 22:30 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet (was: domain names, was: hostname) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-03-21 22:20 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-03-22 00:40 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 09:00 +0100
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Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet (was: domain names, was: hostname) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-03-21 22:40 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet (was: domain names, was: hostname) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-03-21 22:40 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-03-21 23:10 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-03-22 01:20 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-03-22 13:20 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-03-22 23:10 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-03-22 23:50 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-03-23 00:20 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-03-23 02:10 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-03-23 04:00 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-03-23 02:50 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-03-23 04:10 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-03-23 13:30 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Phil Dobbin <bukowskiscat@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 15:10 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2018-03-23 17:50 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet (was: domain names, was: hostname) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-03-22 01:00 +0100
Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet (was: domain names, was: hostname) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 09:20 +0100
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Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet (was: domain names, was: hostname) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-03-22 14:00 +0100
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Re: domain names, was: hostname Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-03-23 21:30 +0100
Re: domain names, was: hostname Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-03-24 02:30 +0100
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Re: domain names, was: hostname Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-03-23 11:50 +0100
Re: domain names, was: hostname David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-03-23 16:50 +0100
Re: domain names, was: hostname Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-03-23 17:00 +0100
Re: domain names, was: hostname Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-03-23 18:50 +0100
Re: domain names, was: hostname David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-03-23 20:00 +0100
Re: domain names, was: hostname Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-03-23 21:10 +0100
Re: domain names, was: hostname Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-03-21 00:10 +0100
Re: domain names, was: hostname Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2018-03-21 04:40 +0100
Re: domain names, was: hostname Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-03-21 18:30 +0100
Re: domain names, was: hostname Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-03-21 21:10 +0100
Re: domain names, was: hostname David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-03-22 02:10 +0100
Re: domain names, was: hostname Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2018-02-19 18:30 +0100
Re: domain names, was: hostname Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-02-19 20:00 +0100
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Re: domain names, was: hostname Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-02-19 20:30 +0100
Re: domain names, was: hostname Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-02-19 21:40 +0100
Re: domain names, was: hostname Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-02-19 21:50 +0100
Re: domain names, was: hostname Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-02-19 22:00 +0100
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