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Re: Bypass Recycle Bin

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Ed Cryer wrote on 4/26/2025 4:01 PM:
> Paul wrote:
>> On Fri, 4/25/2025 9:29 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 18:00:17 +0100, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be
>>>> holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its
>>>> Properties; then switch back afterwards.
>>>> Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
>>>> Select files to delete, press the “Shift” and “Delete” keys 
>>>> together.
>>>> Cool.
>>>
>>> That's been available since at least XP, and I'm too lazy to fire up a
>>> Win9x VM to remind myself if it's been there from the beginning.
>>>
>>> I think there's a name for the phenomenon where, when you know
>>> something, you assume everyone knows it, and when you don't, you assume
>>> that others also don't. I've been caught out on that before.
>>>
>>
>> Some people keep their good output files in the Trash Bin,
>> and it's almost impossible to convince them not to do that :-)
>> I'm sure there's a name for this behavior too :-)
>>
>> That is one of the consequences of un-structured learning.
>> "Discovery" as a concept, has a few issues when it comes
>> to correct logical conclusions. Some people assume the
>> most important "container" on the desktop, is where you store
>> your good output. Having a bin where actual trash goes,
>> that's not nearly as important to them. When they spot a
>> container, any container, that's where the file goes.
>> it doesn't matter what is printed on the side of the container.
>>
>> I had a colleague at work who came over to my desk and
>> said "Paul, my email is awfully slow". So I check, and he
>> has a ton of deleted files in the Inbox, and they've never
>> been compacted to get rid of them. Apparently he had never
>> heard of the concept, how email deletion was a two-step,
>> and deleting an item didn't actually delete it, and you
>> had to compact the box to tidy it up. While the company had
>> an "email training course", you'd be laughed out of the
>> place if someone said "Oh, Alphonse is taking the email
>> course this week". That's one of the reasons some basics
>> courses, never got taken.
>>
>> This concept, of insulating users, has been around for a
>> long time, and I believe it may have Unix roots as much
>> as anything. Microsoft made it graphical. Whereas the
>> two-step concept existed as a "command line thing". We
>> were using an alias for "rm" that consisted of "mv" and
>> some operands. And then the main complaint about putting
>> that by default in peoples profiles (noob profiles), is
>> the individuals didn't know where the "actual storage" was.
>> Some had never managed to empty the "real trash".
>> "Taz, my homedir is full. I think it's my trash.
>> Do you know where my trash is ?" That would be a situation
>> which would provide a teaching moment.
>>
>> I guess this is why we keep a copy of Recuva handy,
>> and warn users to "stop making changes to the disk if
>> you delete something for real, by accident". There's more
>> to the story than knowing how the Shift key can help you.
>> You should also hear how delete, is a one-byte flag that
>> can be reversed, but it must be reversed promptly before
>> the file system overwrites your valuable document remnants.
>> (Shut down immediately. Dial out and ask for help using
>> your second computer.)  The green bullets in Recuva show
>> you items that can be recovered.
>>
>>     Paul
> 
> Some friends of mine recently called me in. Their iPhone had suddenly 
> lost all its contacts. I went in and found that they never rebooted, 
> there were hundreds of versions of Safari open, lots of updates left 
> undone (including a major OS update), emails in the inbox unread over a 
> thousand, and other infractures that would make anyone with even a minor 
> degree of computer-savvy sigh.
> It's for such people that the OS-vendors produce their prison-cell like 
> OSes; trying to help them, I suppose, but giving the rest of us 
> something that resembles Disneyland.
> 
> Apple are the worst culprits in this dumbing-down cycle; but MS are 
> catching up.
> BTW, I had one hell of a time trying to explain two-factor 
> authentication to them. I just couldn't reach down to the very lowest 
> rungs of the IT-ladder where they seemed to be at home.
> I feel the greatest empathy with them. When all the suppliers of food, 
> power, goods and no-goods are insisting on online communication only, 
> they're ripe for ripping off by the bandits.
> 
> Ed
> 

I guess you just have to work a lot harder to educate the dummies. But, 
it's always been that way, hasn't it?

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  Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-25 13:28 -0400
    Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-25 18:39 +0100
      Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-25 14:46 -0400
        Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-25 20:16 +0100
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            Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-26 12:10 +0100
              Re: Bypass Recycle Bin knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-26 08:52 -0400
                Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-26 19:05 +0100
                Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-26 19:38 +0000
        Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-25 13:13 -0700
          Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-25 16:31 -0400
            Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-26 15:02 -0700
          Re: Bypass Recycle Bin micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-25 19:23 -0400
        Re: Bypass Recycle Bin knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-25 19:24 -0400
          Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-25 23:50 -0400
            Re: Bypass Recycle Bin knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-26 08:55 -0400
              Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-26 14:43 +0000
                Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-26 19:19 +0100
                Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-26 19:30 +0000
                Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-26 15:07 -0700
                Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-26 19:30 -0400
                Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-27 15:43 +0000
              Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-26 17:12 -0400
                Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-26 19:12 -0400
  Re: Bypass Recycle Bin john@jeasonNoSpam.cix.co.uk (John K.Eason) - 2025-04-25 19:06 +0100
    Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-25 18:20 +0000
      Re: Bypass Recycle Bin micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-25 19:24 -0400
      Re: Bypass Recycle Bin john@jeasonNoSpam.cix.co.uk (John K.Eason) - 2025-04-26 11:59 +0100
  Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-25 12:51 -0700
    Re: Bypass Recycle Bin "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-04-25 17:58 -0400
  Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2025-04-25 16:13 -0400
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      Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2025-04-25 18:28 -0400
      Re: Bypass Recycle Bin knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-25 19:27 -0400
      Re: Bypass Recycle Bin micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-25 19:28 -0400
  Re: Bypass Recycle Bin T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-25 14:08 -0700
  Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-25 20:29 -0500
    Re: Bypass Recycle Bin "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-04-26 10:10 +0100
    Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-26 16:36 -0400
      Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-26 22:01 +0100
        Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-26 16:38 -0500
  Re: Bypass Recycle Bin VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-25 22:26 -0500

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