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Re: Bypass Recycle Bin

From	Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject	Re: Bypass Recycle Bin
Date	2025-04-26 16:36 -0400
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On Fri, 4/25/2025 9:29 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 18:00:17 +0100, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
> wrote:
> 
>> I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be 
>> holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its 
>> Properties; then switch back afterwards.
>> Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
>> Select files to delete, press the “Shift” and “Delete” keys together.
>> Cool.
> 
> That's been available since at least XP, and I'm too lazy to fire up a
> Win9x VM to remind myself if it's been there from the beginning.
> 
> I think there's a name for the phenomenon where, when you know
> something, you assume everyone knows it, and when you don't, you assume
> that others also don't. I've been caught out on that before.
> 

Some people keep their good output files in the Trash Bin,
and it's almost impossible to convince them not to do that :-)
I'm sure there's a name for this behavior too :-)

That is one of the consequences of un-structured learning.
"Discovery" as a concept, has a few issues when it comes
to correct logical conclusions. Some people assume the
most important "container" on the desktop, is where you store
your good output. Having a bin where actual trash goes,
that's not nearly as important to them. When they spot a
container, any container, that's where the file goes.
it doesn't matter what is printed on the side of the container.

I had a colleague at work who came over to my desk and
said "Paul, my email is awfully slow". So I check, and he
has a ton of deleted files in the Inbox, and they've never
been compacted to get rid of them. Apparently he had never
heard of the concept, how email deletion was a two-step,
and deleting an item didn't actually delete it, and you
had to compact the box to tidy it up. While the company had
an "email training course", you'd be laughed out of the
place if someone said "Oh, Alphonse is taking the email
course this week". That's one of the reasons some basics
courses, never got taken.

This concept, of insulating users, has been around for a
long time, and I believe it may have Unix roots as much
as anything. Microsoft made it graphical. Whereas the
two-step concept existed as a "command line thing". We
were using an alias for "rm" that consisted of "mv" and
some operands. And then the main complaint about putting
that by default in peoples profiles (noob profiles), is
the individuals didn't know where the "actual storage" was.
Some had never managed to empty the "real trash".
"Taz, my homedir is full. I think it's my trash.
Do you know where my trash is ?" That would be a situation
which would provide a teaching moment.

I guess this is why we keep a copy of Recuva handy,
and warn users to "stop making changes to the disk if
you delete something for real, by accident". There's more
to the story than knowing how the Shift key can help you.
You should also hear how delete, is a one-byte flag that
can be reversed, but it must be reversed promptly before
the file system overwrites your valuable document remnants.
(Shut down immediately. Dial out and ask for help using
your second computer.)  The green bullets in Recuva show
you items that can be recovered.

   Paul

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Bypass Recycle Bin Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-25 18:00 +0100
  Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-25 13:28 -0400
    Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-25 18:39 +0100
      Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-25 14:46 -0400
        Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-25 20:16 +0100
          Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-25 16:11 -0400
            Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-26 12:10 +0100
              Re: Bypass Recycle Bin knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-26 08:52 -0400
                Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-26 19:05 +0100
                Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-26 19:38 +0000
        Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-25 13:13 -0700
          Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-25 16:31 -0400
            Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-26 15:02 -0700
          Re: Bypass Recycle Bin micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-25 19:23 -0400
        Re: Bypass Recycle Bin knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-25 19:24 -0400
          Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-25 23:50 -0400
            Re: Bypass Recycle Bin knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-26 08:55 -0400
              Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-26 14:43 +0000
                Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-26 19:19 +0100
                Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-26 19:30 +0000
                Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-26 15:07 -0700
                Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-26 19:30 -0400
                Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-27 15:43 +0000
              Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-26 17:12 -0400
                Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-26 19:12 -0400
  Re: Bypass Recycle Bin john@jeasonNoSpam.cix.co.uk (John K.Eason) - 2025-04-25 19:06 +0100
    Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-25 18:20 +0000
      Re: Bypass Recycle Bin micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-25 19:24 -0400
      Re: Bypass Recycle Bin john@jeasonNoSpam.cix.co.uk (John K.Eason) - 2025-04-26 11:59 +0100
  Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-25 12:51 -0700
    Re: Bypass Recycle Bin "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-04-25 17:58 -0400
  Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2025-04-25 16:13 -0400
    Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-25 13:19 -0700
      Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2025-04-25 18:28 -0400
      Re: Bypass Recycle Bin knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-25 19:27 -0400
      Re: Bypass Recycle Bin micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-25 19:28 -0400
  Re: Bypass Recycle Bin T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-25 14:08 -0700
  Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-25 20:29 -0500
    Re: Bypass Recycle Bin "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-04-26 10:10 +0100
    Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-26 16:36 -0400
      Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-26 22:01 +0100
        Re: Bypass Recycle Bin Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-26 16:38 -0500
  Re: Bypass Recycle Bin VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-25 22:26 -0500

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