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Re: Hard disk error (Error probing device: Error sending ATA command IDENTIFY DEVICE)

From Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.os.linux
Subject Re: Hard disk error (Error probing device: Error sending ATA command IDENTIFY DEVICE)
Date 2025-04-07 15:00 -0400
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On Mon, 4/7/2025 10:37 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
> On 07/04/2025 14.07, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-04-07 11:42, Simon wrote:
> 
>>> I found a fix to this some time ago, maybe it will help still now? https://blog.simonj.eu/blog/jms578-based-adaptor-on-linux
>>
>> What does this do? The link doesn't explain.
>>
>> Google says that this changes usb-disk driver "UAS" to "usb-storage". Why would I need that, what is the advantage?
> 
> The UAS is a newer implementation for mass storage devices, this uses a SCSI based protocol instead of the Bulk-Only Transport of the USB. Main benefit with UAS is higher transfer speeds from/to usb connected mass storage units.
> 
> As the device you use seems to have issues with UAS (at least the Linux implementation), so the option seems to be to relay on the old USB functionality and the benefit for you would be something that works.
> 
> The following numbers based on tests on a Banana Pi:
> Seq Write: ~10% slower on USB vs UAS
> Seq Read: ~14% slower on USB vs UAS
> 
> 
> // Aho

For this particular device, the anecdotal evidence is the
regular USB storage seems to work, whereas the UAS implementation
had rough edges. The UAS supports TRIM, which would be a better
fit for SSDs, but I would not put SSDs in that enclosure.
A hard drive may survive any brutal treatment that firmware
hands out. We don't really know what that firmware
does to drives. If a firmware isn't remotely "compliant",
it remains a science experiment.

The next issue, is benching it for performance, and seeing
what kind of write rate it can manage. None of the chit-chat
about it I've seen so far, mentions a bench and whether the
internal processor limits it. It may be examining each ATA
command set command, as it goes by.

   Paul

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Hard disk error (Error probing device: Error sending ATA command IDENTIFY DEVICE) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-03 22:01 +0200
  Re: Hard disk error (Error probing device: Error sending ATA command IDENTIFY DEVICE) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-03 17:47 -0400
    Re: Hard disk error (Error probing device: Error sending ATA command IDENTIFY DEVICE) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-04 02:39 +0200
      Re: Hard disk error (Error probing device: Error sending ATA command IDENTIFY DEVICE) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-03 23:33 -0400
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          Re: Hard disk error (Error probing device: Error sending ATA command IDENTIFY DEVICE) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-04 12:16 +0200
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  Re: Hard disk error (Error probing device: Error sending ATA command IDENTIFY DEVICE) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-04 06:30 +0000
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        Re: Hard disk error (Error probing device: Error sending ATA command IDENTIFY DEVICE) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-04 23:40 +0200
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      Re: Hard disk error (Error probing device: Error sending ATA command IDENTIFY DEVICE) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-04 16:30 -0400
        Re: Hard disk error (Error probing device: Error sending ATA command IDENTIFY DEVICE) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-04 22:52 +0200
          Re: Hard disk error (Error probing device: Error sending ATA command IDENTIFY DEVICE) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-04 18:46 -0400
          Re: Hard disk error (Error probing device: Error sending ATA command IDENTIFY DEVICE) Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-05 00:20 +0100
            Re: Hard disk error (Error probing device: Error sending ATA command IDENTIFY DEVICE) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-04 23:05 -0400
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                Re: Hard disk error (Error probing device: Error sending ATA command IDENTIFY DEVICE) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-06 00:13 -0400
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                Re: Hard disk error (Error probing device: Error sending ATA command IDENTIFY DEVICE) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-07 15:00 -0400
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                Re: Hard disk error (Error probing device: Error sending ATA command IDENTIFY DEVICE) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-08 00:05 -0400
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