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| From | Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.comp.software.firefox |
| Subject | Re: Harder to keep loving Firefox |
| Date | 2025-04-07 08:10 -0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <vt0f9e$3napu$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | <knrhku8v6e1h$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> <vsu0di$14tjg$1@dont-email.me> <11ipcjfuklbaq.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
On 4/6/2025 6:48 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
> Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>
>> That "stupid Brave Rewards crap" is Brendan Eich's bright idea for the
>> future of the Internet. He's stated that the Internet can only
>> survive as a commercial entity. Shopping malls must replace town
>> commons. It's a deeply cynical and foolish vision.
>
> Actually the Web would not survive without an influx of money. When it
> started, it was paid for by universities and taxes to the gov't. What
> you pay your ISP is just an entry fee. Foolish to believe the Web will
> or should ever be free. That access is mostly free is what gets users
> into feeling entitled, like kids whose parents pay for everything.
Take a breath, V. You get going and end up arguing
simply for the sake of winning an argument. Most of what
you're saying is not making sense. The Internet is not
funded by ads. It's certainly not funded by browser
makers doubling as ad networks.
I always hear the same arguments from Brave users:
"They promise privacy and I just skip the ads part."
Then Brave is going to go out of business. It's pure
sleaze to start with. There's no way Brave works out
well. Either the plan fails, or Brave becomes a commercial
Internet filter, favoring websites that do deals with Eich.
(OK, maybe there's a third possibility that Eich finds
Jesus and invests his fortune in a clean browser. But don't
hold your breath.)
Your "not my problem" thinking is a big part of the
problem online. Much of the Internet is a case of spoiled
consumers. We try to grab free trinkets while holding
onto our wallets. Companies like Google try to vacuum
your wallet while you're busy grabbing the trinket. It's
dishonesty on both sides. Brave is carrying on that
tradition, giving you a lie to fool yourself with. Meanwhile,
you're strenuously blocking all ads, pretending that Brave
ads are an optional "feature".
Either Brave will collapse or they'll vacuum your wallet.
I still remember the first time I went online by myself.
My neighbor had AOL and told me how to log in. I was
intrigued. I logged in, then the first thing I saw was a
popup that I coulddn't dismiss. "Do you want to order a
new credit card?" | "Yes." | "Ask me later."
Huh? That's not right! I gradually came to see that a
lot of things on the Internet were not right. It was like
ungoverned territory. Lots of people were contributing
lots of very inspiring things. Lots of people were also just
trying to vacuum wallets. The refusal of people
to actually maintain honesty and integrity, and require
it of others, is what allows the scamscape to happen.
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Re: Harder to keep loving Firefox Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-07 08:10 -0400
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Re: Harder to keep loving Firefox Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-09 17:06 -0400
Re: Harder to keep loving Firefox Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-08 17:19 -0400
Re: Harder to keep loving Firefox Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> - 2025-04-08 23:55 +0200
Re: Harder to keep loving Firefox Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-08 20:12 -0400
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Re: Harder to keep loving Firefox The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-04-13 09:29 -0700
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Re: Harder to keep loving Firefox VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-13 16:54 -0500
Re: Harder to keep loving Firefox Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2025-04-13 16:05 -0700
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Re: Harder to keep loving Firefox VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-14 06:21 -0500
Re: Harder to keep loving Firefox The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-04-16 08:03 -0700
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Re: Harder to keep loving Firefox The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-04-16 08:49 -0700
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Re: Harder to keep loving Firefox The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-04-17 09:59 -0700
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Re: Harder to keep loving Firefox Schugo <schugo@schugo.de> - 2025-04-16 21:42 +0200
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Re: Harder to keep loving Firefox The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-04-16 07:59 -0700
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Re: Harder to keep loving Firefox The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-04-13 23:22 -0700
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Re: Harder to keep loving Firefox VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-09 02:17 -0500
Re: Harder to keep loving Firefox Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-04-07 08:36 +0100
Re: Harder to keep loving Firefox VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-07 05:52 -0500
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