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| From | Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.comp.software.firefox |
| Subject | Re: Harder to keep loving Firefox |
| Date | 2025-04-06 09:44 -0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <vsu0di$14tjg$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | <knrhku8v6e1h$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
On 4/5/2025 10:41 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
> Mozilla says they will continue supporting Manifest version 2 (MV2) for
> the foreseeable future. That means extensions, like uBlock Origin, can
> continue providing their full functionality instead of getting crippled
> under Manifest version 3 (MV3), like uBlock Origin Lite. However, how
> long is the foreseeable future is vague. Could be another 10 years.
> Could be tomorrow.
>
> https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-manifest-v3-adblockers/
>
That "stupid Brave Rewards crap" is Brendan Eich's bright idea
for the future of the Internet. He's stated that the Internet can
only survive as a commercial entity. Shopping malls must replace
town commons. It's a deeply cynical and foolish vision.
The current claims of Brave being for privacy are a cynical sales
pitch. The plan for Brave is to be an ad network; a middleman
between advertisers and websites -- both of which would have
to kowtow to Eich -- and pay him a kickback -- in order to take
part. Eich is offering you a tenth of a penny to get you onboard.
He's floating a fantasy of you having the role of powerful consumer.
You'll be able to make or break Crest or Colgate, Cocoa Puffs
or Lucky Charms, Ford or Lexus, through your power to choose which
ads you see.
If Eich were not a tech insider this whole scam would have been
laughed out of the room by people who should know better.
But these are the same people who fell for gmail when it claimed to
be "by invitation only". They vastly overestimate their own
brilliance, mistaking aspergers savant skills for general intelligence.
For the mainstream, Chrome works. Firefox often doesn't render
highly interactive pages. That doesn't seem to be changing. Chrome
is like the old IE. It's setting the pace and Mozilla are not keeping up.
99.5% of people are not going to edit about:config or even add
extensions. It's all too complicated. Webpages are increasingly
software programs, presented as "apps" and optimized for Chrome.
FF is already down to low single digits percentage of use. It's a
boutique browser. And now they're talking about running their own
ads!
The overall best method to block spying is a HOSTS file. It also
blocks nearly all ads, simply because the ads are coming from
the same sleazy domains as the spying. You talk about fingerprinting
via Google fonts, yet Google fonts are on most webpages. They can
track you from site to site without needing to enumerate system
fonts. One line in HOSTS stops that. It's the same with Google maps,
googletagmanager, google-analytics, etc. They're watching you at
nearly every site. HOSTS can stop it.
UO is not going to stop all that. It would be
too disruptive commercially and would risk having effects on webpage
display, which would mean that UO would lose business. The ideal
security/privacy product is the one that has a single button and
doesn't do anything, because it's very easy to use. :)
(I tried to introduce the woman I live with to NoScript. It was
just too complicated for her to use. She understands script toggling
and CSS toggling because they work as single functions that either fix
a webpage or don't. But when
12 companies are trying to run script, and you don't even know
what script is, how do you decide whether to enable "optimizely.com"?)
I think it would be great to see Mozilla lose Google funding. They're
making an absurd 1/2 billion dollars a year and what do they have
to show for it? They just keep cranking out releases, without addressing
the lack of support for some webpages. I have to keep Ungoogled
Chromium for sites like my dentist and doctor. They simply won't
work on FF. Even my webhost, Knownhost: The "control panel" layout
is all messed up in FF. We can't ask these people to fix their pages.
The webmasters don't even understand HTML! They're using dummy
tools and testing only in Chrome.
I'm afraid that Mozilla have lost the vision they started with. They
were going to keep the Web open by combatting IE's monopoly.
Now Google/Chrome/Apple/Safari have a monopoly and Mozilla is
feeding off their kickbacks. It's like government workers who have
to figure out how to spend a massive funding allotment.
I once dated a scientist many years ago. They had a routine: Go
to DC and ask the dept of Energy for funding. Then come back and
do the 500th experiment to research the effects of acid rain. Today
it's global warming. They just keep researching the topic du jour.
If they don't spend the money, they won't get it next year. If they
don't research a "burning question of the day" then they won't get
money. Losing Google's money might be the only thing that could
save Mozilla. Then they'd have to either return to the original vision
or quit.
But there's also another issue that's not talked about much: The
general population has been shifting from producer to consumer.
Most people want computing devices only for services and
entertainment. Those people don't care about, nor understand,
privacy, or even software. They just want their Amazon order to go
through, or their computer game to work. It's interactive TV. MS are
even coming out with an MS Office-only device. Firefox was originally
a product for a far less ignorant online population, designed to provide
a non-corporate interface for the Internet. The fact that they're failing
is not entirely Mozilla's fault. It's also that the population has changed.
People want shopping, notifications and so on. Firefox must try to be
a consumer entertainment product while also being a browser made for
an enduser who's Internet-literate. In the long run, only legislation
to support rights and privacy is going to change things.
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Re: Harder to keep loving Firefox The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-04-16 08:03 -0700
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