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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.os.linux |
| Subject | Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD |
| Date | 2025-03-22 14:18 -0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <vrmuto$ghug$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | (16 earlier) <nfatalxrg3.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <vri36u$4qrh$1@dont-email.me> <1vsvalx2ng.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <vrjsb8$1nqfi$1@dont-email.me> <4eo2blx5q4.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
On Sat, 3/22/2025 8:52 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-03-21 15:16, Paul wrote: >> On Fri, 3/21/2025 6:51 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-03-20 23:01, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>> On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:24:07 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2025-03-19 22:00, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:05:06 +0000, Ant wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> exFAT can handle bigger files and partitions. >>>>>> >>>>>> But it doesn’t offer the option for journalling to guard against >>>>>> filesystem corruption on crashes or improper removal/shutdown, does it. >>>>> >>>>> Perfect. >>>>> >>>>> You do not want journalling on an usb stick or memory card. >>>> >>>> But SSDs are also built on flash memory technology; do you disable >>>> journalling on those as well? >>> >>> No, they have wear levelling, and an expected lifetime with normal usage patterns that is quite long. >>> >> >> Exactly. SSDs algorithm and processing power (I read of an >> SSD yesterday with a five core ARM processor in it), ensures >> that the entire wear life of the device (number of cells times cycles) >> is harvested. USB sticks don't even come remotely close to that. Some >> USB sticks, don't even seem to follow what technical information >> is available for them. Either their flash chips are entire crap >> (should have been thrown out at flash factory), or, something >> is very wrong with the controller. > > I just realized I have an nvme with 72713 hours of use. Probably the first one I bought. > > > === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === > Model Family: SandForce Driven SSDs > Device Model: KINGSTON SMS200S3120G > Serial Number: ... > LU WWN Device Id: 5 0026b7 26901494e > Firmware Version: 608ABBF0 > User Capacity: 120,034,123,776 bytes [120 GB] > Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical > Rotation Rate: Solid State Device > TRIM Command: Available > Device is: In smartctl database 7.3/5528 > ATA Version is: ATA8-ACS, ACS-2 T13/2015-D revision 3 > SATA Version is: SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s) > Local Time is: Sat Mar 22 13:14:02 2025 CET > SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. > SMART support is: Enabled > > ... > > SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 > Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: > ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE > 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x0032 095 095 050 Old_age Always - 0/38481593 > 5 Retired_Block_Count 0x0033 100 100 003 Pre-fail Always - 0 > 9 Power_On_Hours_and_Msec 0x0032 017 017 000 Old_age Always - 72713h+43m+19.000s > 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 184 > 171 Program_Fail_Count 0x000a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 > 172 Erase_Fail_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 > 174 Unexpect_Power_Loss_Ct 0x0030 000 000 000 Old_age Offline - 134 > 177 Wear_Range_Delta 0x0000 000 000 000 Old_age Offline - 1 > 181 Program_Fail_Count 0x000a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 > 182 Erase_Fail_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 > 187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 > 189 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0000 045 113 000 Old_age Offline - 45 (Min/Max 0/113) > 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 045 113 000 Old_age Always - 45 (Min/Max 0/113) > 195 ECC_Uncorr_Error_Count 0x001c 120 120 000 Old_age Offline - 0/38481593 > 196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0033 100 100 003 Pre-fail Always - 0 > 201 Unc_Soft_Read_Err_Rate 0x001c 120 120 000 Old_age Offline - 0/38481593 > 204 Soft_ECC_Correct_Rate 0x001c 120 120 000 Old_age Offline - 0/38481593 > 230 Life_Curve_Status 0x0013 100 100 000 Pre-fail Always - 100 > 231 SSD_Life_Left 0x0000 094 094 011 Old_age Offline - 34359738368 > 233 SandForce_Internal 0x0032 000 000 000 Old_age Always - 40546 > 234 SandForce_Internal 0x0032 000 000 000 Old_age Always - 14524 > 241 Lifetime_Writes_GiB 0x0032 000 000 000 Old_age Always - 14524 > 242 Lifetime_Reads_GiB 0x0032 000 000 000 Old_age Always - 8232 > 244 Unknown_Attribute 0x0000 090 090 010 Old_age Offline - 20906303 > > > I just run a short test, but it doesn't show - or they count hours differently: > > SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 > Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error > # 1 Short offline Completed without error 00% 7178 - > # 2 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 7168 - > # 3 Short offline Completed without error 00% 7166 - That's amazing, that a 120GB drive is still alive. Some of those die due to firmware issues. it could be a SATA type NVME, rather than a PCIe. The entry in /dev should help you identify what it is listed under. As far as I know, Sandforce did compressing controllers for SATA, and Kingston was their major customer. I could not tell you whether Sandforce was still in business or not. Paul
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When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-11 21:52 +1100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-11 13:16 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-11 23:34 +1100
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Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-11 15:57 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-03-11 11:23 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-12 00:31 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-03-12 13:15 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2025-03-14 11:19 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-03-14 16:47 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2025-03-14 14:47 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-14 23:39 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-03-15 07:50 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-15 06:58 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-15 04:02 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-15 22:20 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-15 20:29 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-16 01:18 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-15 22:44 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-16 06:33 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-03-17 08:57 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-03-17 16:05 +0200
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-17 19:23 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-17 15:21 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-17 22:04 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-17 23:19 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-03-19 16:45 +0200
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2025-03-19 16:05 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-19 21:00 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-20 03:04 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-20 22:02 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-21 11:50 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-21 12:21 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-24 00:50 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-24 14:23 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-20 12:24 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-20 22:01 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-21 11:51 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-21 10:16 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-22 13:52 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-22 14:18 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-22 23:20 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-24 23:20 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-25 12:55 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-26 00:27 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-03-20 11:07 +0200
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-20 12:29 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-19 14:14 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-19 21:18 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-03-20 10:51 +0200
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-20 12:22 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2025-03-20 20:35 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-21 11:55 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-03-21 16:24 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-22 06:58 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-22 04:29 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-22 22:00 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-23 02:01 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-24 00:43 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2025-03-21 16:37 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-22 06:57 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-22 14:00 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2025-03-22 09:42 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-22 15:20 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-22 14:00 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-22 20:34 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-22 22:02 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-22 23:22 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-24 00:42 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-17 23:18 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-03-15 09:08 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-15 13:37 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-03-15 19:22 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-15 14:57 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-03-15 21:06 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-11 19:56 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 18:16 +0000
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-11 20:03 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-12 15:12 +0100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-12 14:56 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2025-03-17 07:49 -0400
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-18 00:21 +1100
Re: When I back-up .... Coping my Entire Internal HD to an external HD Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-17 11:54 -0400
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