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Re: Pasting photos in html emails

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VanguardLH wrote:
> "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> wrote:


> 
> ALL e-mail is sent as text characters.  ALL.  Not some, not most, but
> ALL e-mail is text.  No binary content is allowed at all.  

[ Good explanation, including mention of email not being intended to be 
a file transfer tool snipped. +1 to all of that ]

> 
> MIME got added to allow the addition of non-ASCII text in messages
> (i.e., language support), and to allow e-mail to carry non-text content
> as attachments.

> 
> Sending just the URL of an image is polite.  The recipient gets to
> decide whether to see the online image or not rather than wasting the
> bandwidth and disk space (in both sender's and recipient's mailboxes on
> their servers and in the clients) to get an e-mail with content they may
> not want.  Including huge attachments could result in consuming a
> recipient's mailbox to its max quota preventing receipt of further
> e-mails until the recipient deletes the bloated e-mail.

Your focus is primarily on the effects of storage for the receiver, 
bandwidth, and the effect on the sender's storage are also worth 
considering.

In the days of POP and dial-up connections, the problem was far worse. 
For POP, if a sender sent a large message, then the effect to the user 
was a hairball in the mail stream, and where more recent messages could 
not be downloaded until the large message (often low-priority) was 
moved.  It was in that era when I learned the methodology of making use 
of a web client for alternate access to a mailbox.  If there was a 
hairball in the inbox, then the thing to do was to go to web access, 
move (or delete) the offending large message out of the inbox, to allow 
download of other traffic.  This problem seemed to be worst in the years 
that the world was transitioning from dialup to broadband, and the worst 
offenders seemed to be the people who had broadband, but not realizing 
that there were still lots of people that still had dialup.

Even with IMAP and broadband, a further effect of emailing large content 
is that a copy of all that volume gets left in the Sent Mail folder. 
It's a duplicate copy of content that is already stored locally, and 
merely takes up storage space on the server.  With the perception of 
unlimited space in Gmail, most people don't really pay attention to 
quotas, but they are there, and eventually enough attached content may 
cause issues with a nearly-full mailbox.

Although there are places where I will send embedded photos (and where 
it's appropriate to do so), my preference as receiver is links to 
content (especially for things like PDF files) with clear descriptions 
of what is at the other end of the link, that I can choose to follow or 
not.  And for photos, beyond reducing resolution to no larger than 150 
dpi), if I'm sending, I frequently go the route of attachment, rather 
than embedding.

For attachments, then Thunderbird's capacities for deleting or detaching 
become useful, as well.  For something that I send, I may need the cover 
message, but I already have the attachment, and deleting the attachment 
means that I'm not taking up space with the saved copy, whether in Sent 
Mail or whatever folder I save to.  The other effect that I've found 
with attachments is that there are far too many people in the world with 
the bad habit of replying to a message by simply quoting the entire 
received message, and then inserting a top-quoted reply.

If my original has embedded photographs in it, it means that the 
top-quoted reply has all of my photographs, and even if I want to keep 
the reply, it means that I have to keep the quotation of my original 
content, which is the large majority of the message, rather than just 
the several sentences of reply that I actually want.

It is possible to export such a message and edit out the MIME-encoded 
content, and then import it back, but the process is tedious.  I've done 
it a few times, but infrequently enough that I have to do some 
trial-and-error to get it to work, and I've never documented it.

On the other hand, if I send photos as attachments, then if somebody 
replies, those attachments aren't included in the response, unless the 
other person explicitly sets the reply to include them, and people who 
send top-posted replies normally don't.

The result is that if I send photos as attachments, I can delete the 
attachments from the copies I save, and if a reply comes back with an 
attachment, I can delete that as well, even if I keep the rest of the 
message.

Smith

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    Re: Pasting photos in html emails VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-20 17:36 -0500
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