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Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues

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On 2025-02-03 06:17, Jeff Barnett wrote:
> On 2/2/2025 7:50 PM, Java Jive wrote:
>> On 2025-02-02 21:26, chrisv wrote:
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>
>>>> Similarly, the AI doing the Google searches, is doing
>>>> a shit job, and I'm now looking at a situation were
>>>> I don't get any help at all from the Internet any more.
>>>>
>>>> AI is definitely a "mission accomplished" thing. It's
>>>> trashed the Internet. Good work.
>>>
>>> It's not done until it's trashed human society.  Eventually we'll have
>>> no reason to think, at all.
>>
>> That's nonsense  ...  It's like saying that because we have 
>> calculators we don't need to be able to do any mental arithmetic, but 
>> you always need to be able to check that the result you get is 
>> reasonable to be sure that you haven't miskeyed something while 
>> entering the calculation.   Or it's like saying that because we have 
>> navigation apps no-one will need to read maps or think about what the 
>> app is telling them to do. Remember the German couple who drove off 
>> the end of a pier, and, IMS, drowned, because their navigation app 
>> told them to?!  Or the Euro continental lorry drivers who enter 
>> "Gibraltar" into their nav apps and end up in a tiny English village 
>> that happens to have the same name?! Didn't any penny drop when they 
>> had to take a Channel ferry?  Etc, etc.
> 
> As best I only see, a significant portion of the younger generations can 
> neither do simple arithmetic nor 1-step logical deductions (or the 
> informal equivalents or approximations). In other words, they cannot 
> verify or validate much of the information presented to them. 

That's not a generational thing, there are people like that in every 
generation.

> I see, as 
> a result, such moves as not accepting cash at many stories.
> 
> I asked an owner of a fast food place why. The answer: The schools 
> didn't teach them arithmetic and I think they are too old to learn! I 
> also recall an experience a few years ago. I selected some supplies at a 
> store in Marina del Rey (part of greater LA) and approached the cash 
> register where a vacant looking 20 something young lady was the cashier. 
> She laboriously rings up the items and the total comes to $19.99. I take 
> out my wallet, hand her a $20 bill and apologize for not having anything 
> smaller. She says nothing, does not crack a smile, and remains frozen 
> until the register tells her to give me a penny back. Still no reaction.

Again, there are dumb-asses in every generation.

> So you really think we, collectively, will be able to profit from 
> information that allows us to double check our computers? 

My post to which you are replying gave examples of what can happen if we 
don't.

> These are the 
> same folks who are frightened by vaccines and community health. (I know 
> there is a small number of people who have predictable poor reactions, 
> but they're generally not the ones spouting conspiracy theories.)

Yes, there's one of those living near to me, but, at a guess, he's in 
he's 80s, so, again, not a generational thing.  [His wife, a nice, kind 
old dear, had a severe stroke a week or two after having a covid vaccine 
and is now mentally much impaired.  Understandably, but most probably 
incorrectly, he links the vaccine and the stroke, whereas in truth she 
may well have had the stroke even if she had not had the vaccine 
beforehand.  What happened to her is tragic, and they both deserve every 
sympathy, but in all probability the two events are unrelated except by 
coincidence.]

> The promise that connectivity (the internet) would improve society and 
> its human inhabitants has been shown false. Rather, it has led to 
> intellectually laziness and polarization. Non-vetted results are repeat 
> as gospel and we are all manipulated and exploited. 

Again, not a generational thing, people used to be just as 
undiscriminating reading newspaper reports and watching TV reports.  The 
thing that the internet has changed is the speed of it all.

> The point is that 
> the vast majority of us are entrenched in this madness and our brain's 
> off switch has been thrown.
> 
> We do not regain rationality when presented with quality information 
> unless we agree with it before it is presented to us. When I say "we" I 
> included all of us who have spent our lives using our brain; we all seem 
> to have these blind spots where we would rather believe than think.

The problem has always been compromising between saving mental effort  - 
  so that you don't go through the laborious process of reinventing the 
wheel every time you need to use one, you just reuse what is already 
known  -  and assessing new information whose usefulness is as yet 
unknown.  No person or the wider society of which he/she is part could 
ever make progress at either extreme of rethinking everything all the 
time or taking everything new as 'good' without questioning it, the best 
path forward has always been a compromise between those two extremes. 
The internet has made this problem more obvious and thus magnified its 
apparent importance, but it's always been a problem.

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            Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-02-03 02:50 +0000
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          Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-09 00:40 +0000
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