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Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint

From -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint
Date 2024-12-14 10:31 -0500
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On 12/13/24 4:56 PM, vallor wrote:
> On 13 Dec 2024 15:40:28 GMT, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote in
> <ls32rcFprp3U1@mid.individual.net>:
> 
>> So upgraded the Mac Studio to Sequoia:
>>
>> $ uname -a
>> Darwin Mac 24.2.0 Darwin Kernel Version 24.2.0:
>> Fri Dec  6 18:56:34 PST 2024; root:xnu-11215.61.5~2/RELEASE_ARM64_T6020 arm64
>>
>> After the initial upgrade from Sonoma, it still had updates
>> to apply.  This took a while, and included the need for
>> another reboot -- all to update some xcode crap.
>>
>> It's a lot easier to update Linux than Windows or MacOS.  Why
>> it would be such a pain for MacOS to do a simple update, I can
>> only guess at.

Perhaps because you're DIYing it from the command line instead of using 
the GUI?

For the latter, system can auto-update, whereupon you just get a 
notification of "do it tonight, or install now?" whereupon the click 
will take you to a license agreement to click and off it goes.

Of course, one will need to remember to not have open/unsaved files 
which will automatically prevent data loss by pausing any reboots 
if/when merited.

>> (I suspect it may be that MacOS doesn't have a facility
>> with the simplicity of Linux's ldconfig(8) for updating
>> shared libraries.)

Of course, when stuff gets updated in the background overnight, why 
should it bother one if an update takes an extra 15 minutes?

>> Also:
>>
>> _[/Users/scott/path_max]_(scott@Mac)🍏_
>> $ make use_pathconf
>> cc -g -O2 -std=c90 -Wall -Werror -pedantic    use_pathconf.c   -o use_pathconf
>> _[/Users/scott/path_max]_(scott@Mac)🍏_
>> $ ./use_pathconf
>> 1024
>>
>> It's still 1/4 that of Linux.
>>
>> Although, I did run a find(1) on my fileserver for long pathnames, and
>> found that the longest was 359 characters...so MacOS would be fine with
>> that.  Windows?  Not so sure.
> 
> Went to add a static route to another segment of my network, and
> couldn't find a way to do it while keeping the dhcp setup.  In order
> to add a persistent route, I had to drop to the command line and
> run networksetup(8) with the proper incantation.  Now I can ping
> my file server.

Sounds odd; I can assign static IPs on my router to individual devices 
as I want.  Of course, that's different from what comes next:

> Next, I tried to add a time machine backup destination, but there's
> no way to add one by IP address from the gui.  

Sure, because the GUI is the mainstream solution, and it leverages a 20 
year old zeroconf technology (eg. Bonjour).  That facilitates using DHCP 
instead of needing to plug in Static IP assignments.  Of course, you're 
free to do things the old fashioned & harder way if you so desire.


> Was going to try
> to set one up with tmutil(8), but realized I should instead set
> up an MDNS reflector on the router.  After that, the Mac Studio saw
> the file server in the time machine tool, and everything followed from
> that.

Sounds like some subdomain/VPN isolations were doing what they were 
supposed to do, so adding the MDNS reflector was to circumvent?


> The file server runs Linux:
> 
> Linux DT 3.10.108 #42962 SMP Mon Aug 19 15:14:28 CST 2024
> armv7l GNU/Linux synology_alpine_ds2015xs

IIRC, same.


-hh

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MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-13 15:40 +0000
  Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-13 21:56 +0000
    Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-14 10:31 -0500
      Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-15 01:01 +0000
  Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-13 22:07 -0500
    Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-14 05:39 +0000
      Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 08:10 -0500
        Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:09 +0000
        Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-14 22:18 +0000
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-14 22:37 +0000
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:53 -0500
            Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-15 22:28 +0000
              Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 20:04 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-16 06:42 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-16 10:38 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-17 22:28 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 18:21 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-19 07:14 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 08:52 -0500
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-15 11:21 -0500
            Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-15 15:36 -0500
              Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-15 21:02 +0000
              Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-16 07:21 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-16 11:10 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-17 22:09 -0600
      Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-14 10:31 -0500
        Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-14 22:22 +0000
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:58 -0500
      Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 15:59 +0000
      Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-14 19:53 +0000
        Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:40 -0500
    Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-14 05:43 +0000
      Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 08:15 -0500
        Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:14 +0000
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-14 19:57 +0000
            Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 15:06 -0500
              Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-15 00:06 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 07:45 +0000
              Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:48 -0500
            Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 07:29 +0000
              Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-15 08:43 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 10:30 +0000
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:13 -0500
            Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 10:33 +0000
              Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-16 20:18 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 08:26 +0000
            Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-17 22:29 +0000
              Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 18:21 -0500
              Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 19:22 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-17 19:37 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 20:23 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 20:36 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-18 01:54 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 21:22 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 20:34 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-18 03:24 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-18 08:24 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-19 18:37 -0600
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 20:12 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-20 01:26 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-20 09:25 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 10:23 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-19 07:14 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 08:52 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 20:32 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-19 04:43 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-19 07:58 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 09:04 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-19 11:25 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 11:50 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 12:26 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-19 13:39 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 12:21 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-19 13:53 -0600
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 17:14 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 08:48 -0500
    Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 08:01 -0500
      Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:21 +0000
        Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:54 +0000
        Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:15 -0500
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-15 13:47 +0000
            Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 10:27 -0500
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-16 05:46 +0000
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 10:37 +0000
            Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-16 11:04 -0500
              Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 08:22 +0000
      Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-14 20:01 +0000
        Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:43 -0500
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-15 14:05 +0000
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-15 18:23 +0000
            Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 14:56 -0500

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