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Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint

From vallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint
Date 2024-12-15 01:01 +0000
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 10:31:16 -0500, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
wrote in <vjk8c4$6us$3@dont-email.me>:

> On 12/13/24 4:56 PM, vallor wrote:
>> On 13 Dec 2024 15:40:28 GMT, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote in
>> <ls32rcFprp3U1@mid.individual.net>:
>> 
>>> So upgraded the Mac Studio to Sequoia:
>>>
>>> $ uname -a
>>> Darwin Mac 24.2.0 Darwin Kernel Version 24.2.0:
>>> Fri Dec  6 18:56:34 PST 2024; root:xnu-11215.61.5~2/RELEASE_ARM64_T6020 arm64
>>>
>>> After the initial upgrade from Sonoma, it still had updates
>>> to apply.  This took a while, and included the need for
>>> another reboot -- all to update some xcode crap.
>>>
>>> It's a lot easier to update Linux than Windows or MacOS.  Why
>>> it would be such a pain for MacOS to do a simple update, I can
>>> only guess at.
> 
> Perhaps because you're DIYing it from the command line instead of using 
> the GUI?

Nope, did that all from the gui.

> 
> For the latter, system can auto-update, whereupon you just get a 
> notification of "do it tonight, or install now?" whereupon the click 
> will take you to a license agreement to click and off it goes.
> 
> Of course, one will need to remember to not have open/unsaved files 
> which will automatically prevent data loss by pausing any reboots 
> if/when merited.

What I'd like is for it to download the updates and have them ready
for such an action.  But it _still_ took an inordinate amount of time
to update.  (I didn't complain about the update from Sonoma to Sequoia
because I would expect that to take a while -- it's the extra update
afterwards that I was complaining about.)

> 
>>> (I suspect it may be that MacOS doesn't have a facility
>>> with the simplicity of Linux's ldconfig(8) for updating
>>> shared libraries.)
> 
> Of course, when stuff gets updated in the background overnight, why 
> should it bother one if an update takes an extra 15 minutes?
> 
>>> Also:
>>>
>>> _[/Users/scott/path_max]_(scott@Mac)🍏_
>>> $ make use_pathconf
>>> cc -g -O2 -std=c90 -Wall -Werror -pedantic    use_pathconf.c   -o use_pathconf
>>> _[/Users/scott/path_max]_(scott@Mac)🍏_
>>> $ ./use_pathconf
>>> 1024
>>>
>>> It's still 1/4 that of Linux.
>>>
>>> Although, I did run a find(1) on my fileserver for long pathnames, and
>>> found that the longest was 359 characters...so MacOS would be fine with
>>> that.  Windows?  Not so sure.
>> 
>> Went to add a static route to another segment of my network, and
>> couldn't find a way to do it while keeping the dhcp setup.  In order
>> to add a persistent route, I had to drop to the command line and
>> run networksetup(8) with the proper incantation.  Now I can ping
>> my file server.
> 
> Sounds odd; I can assign static IPs on my router to individual devices 
> as I want.

Not related.  The SAN segment is a 10G wired network behind my Linux
workstation -- different /24 network.  The most straightforward way
to tell the Mac Studio about how to get to that network is a static
route.  If the dhcp server were more configurable, there is a dhcp
option to add a route -- but I'm not that lucky to have a smarter
dhcp server.


>  Of course, that's different from what comes next:
> 
>> Next, I tried to add a time machine backup destination, but there's
>> no way to add one by IP address from the gui.  
> 
> Sure, because the GUI is the mainstream solution, and it leverages a 20 
> year old zeroconf technology (eg. Bonjour).  That facilitates using DHCP 
> instead of needing to plug in Static IP assignments.  Of course, you're 
> free to do things the old fashioned & harder way if you so desire.

The reflector is tying together both broadcast domains.  That _is_ the
easy way to do it -- the "hard" way would be to try to set up the destination
with tmutil(8) from the command line.  On the Linux workstation, all I had
to do is modify avahi-daemon.conf with "enable-reflector=yes" and restart
the service -- after that, the Studio could see the Time Machine broacast[*].

> 
> 
>> Was going to try
>> to set one up with tmutil(8), but realized I should instead set
>> up an MDNS reflector on the router.  After that, the Mac Studio saw
>> the file server in the time machine tool, and everything followed from
>> that.
> 
> Sounds like some subdomain/VPN isolations were doing what they were 
> supposed to do, so adding the MDNS reflector was to circumvent?

Two different broadcast[*] domains, so the Mac Studio side wasn't seeing
the Time Machine broadcasts until I enabled the reflection.

[*] Actually, it's multicast, but same idea.

>> The file server runs Linux:
>> 
>> Linux DT 3.10.108 #42962 SMP Mon Aug 19 15:14:28 CST 2024
>> armv7l GNU/Linux synology_alpine_ds2015xs
> 
> IIRC, same.

-- 
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   OS: Linux 6.12.4 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
   "Put on your seatbelt. I'm gonna try something new."

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MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-13 15:40 +0000
  Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-13 21:56 +0000
    Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-14 10:31 -0500
      Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-15 01:01 +0000
  Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-13 22:07 -0500
    Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-14 05:39 +0000
      Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 08:10 -0500
        Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:09 +0000
        Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-14 22:18 +0000
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-14 22:37 +0000
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:53 -0500
            Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-15 22:28 +0000
              Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 20:04 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-16 06:42 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-16 10:38 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-17 22:28 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 18:21 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-19 07:14 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 08:52 -0500
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-15 11:21 -0500
            Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-15 15:36 -0500
              Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-15 21:02 +0000
              Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-16 07:21 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-16 11:10 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-17 22:09 -0600
      Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-14 10:31 -0500
        Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-14 22:22 +0000
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:58 -0500
      Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 15:59 +0000
      Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-14 19:53 +0000
        Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:40 -0500
    Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-14 05:43 +0000
      Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 08:15 -0500
        Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:14 +0000
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-14 19:57 +0000
            Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 15:06 -0500
              Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-15 00:06 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 07:45 +0000
              Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:48 -0500
            Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 07:29 +0000
              Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-15 08:43 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 10:30 +0000
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:13 -0500
            Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 10:33 +0000
              Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-16 20:18 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 08:26 +0000
            Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-17 22:29 +0000
              Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 18:21 -0500
              Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 19:22 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-17 19:37 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 20:23 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 20:36 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-18 01:54 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 21:22 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 20:34 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-18 03:24 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-18 08:24 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-19 18:37 -0600
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 20:12 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-20 01:26 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-20 09:25 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 10:23 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-19 07:14 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 08:52 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 20:32 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-19 04:43 +0000
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-19 07:58 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 09:04 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-19 11:25 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 11:50 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 12:26 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-19 13:39 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 12:21 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-19 13:53 -0600
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 17:14 -0500
                Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 08:48 -0500
    Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 08:01 -0500
      Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:21 +0000
        Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:54 +0000
        Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:15 -0500
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-15 13:47 +0000
            Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 10:27 -0500
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-16 05:46 +0000
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 10:37 +0000
            Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-16 11:04 -0500
              Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 08:22 +0000
      Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-14 20:01 +0000
        Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:43 -0500
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-15 14:05 +0000
          Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-15 18:23 +0000
            Re: MacOS Sequoia vs. Linux Mint CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 14:56 -0500

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