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| From | Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.devel |
| Subject | Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped |
| Date | 2018-02-14 13:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vj3Tb-4jo-1@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
| References | (5 earlier) <vhkEO-6xb-9@gated-at.bofh.it> <vhl7Q-6LX-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <vhmwV-7T3-5@gated-at.bofh.it> <vhmGB-7WF-5@gated-at.bofh.it> <vic2u-2qA-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| Organization | The Debian Project, http://www.debian.org/ |
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 03:23:14AM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote:
> On Fri, 2018-02-09 at 14:35:15 -0500, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Feb 09, 2018 at 06:58:49PM +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
> > >> If Ubuntu uses an epoch without Debian following that decision, they can
> > >> never sync with Debian again, increasing the maintenance burden
> > >> indefinitely.
>
> > > See e.g. libpulse0 (pulseaudio), sadly (I needed to repack a $job package
> > > and fix the Depends line to use the package on Debian because of that).
> >
> > Would it hurt to take those epoch bumps into Debian?
>
> Depends on what you mean by hurt. I see epochs being used w/o much
> tought or care, on many situations where they are not supposed to be
> used, and they are permanent stigmas.
I wonder where this representation of "epoch" as a "stigma" comes from.
They're a part of a version number. They're as much a stigma as the "57"
in "libavcodec57". What's the big deal? Just use it if you need to, and
be done with it.
There's really really really nothing wrong with using an epoch. If some
of our (or someone else's) infrastructure has issues dealing with them,
then that's a bug in the infrastructure and we should fix it. But nobody
should be afraid of using an epoch when the upstream version number
changes incompatibly, because *that's what they're for*.
Jeez.
--
Could you people please use IRC like normal people?!?
-- Amaya Rodrigo Sastre, trying to quiet down the buzz in the DebConf 2008
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Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Jeremy Bicha <jbicha@debian.org> - 2018-02-05 16:50 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Matt Zagrabelny <mzagrabe@d.umn.edu> - 2018-02-05 17:00 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Mattia Rizzolo <mattia@debian.org> - 2018-02-05 17:10 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> - 2018-02-06 09:40 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Mattia Rizzolo <mattia@debian.org> - 2018-02-06 14:30 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> - 2018-02-06 23:30 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-02-07 13:20 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Jonathan McDowell <noodles@earth.li> - 2018-02-07 11:10 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2018-02-07 18:00 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Seth Arnold <seth.arnold@canonical.com> - 2018-02-08 00:50 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-02-09 13:10 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Philipp Kern <pkern@debian.org> - 2018-02-09 13:50 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-02-09 17:10 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> - 2018-02-09 18:20 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Philipp Kern <pkern@debian.org> - 2018-02-09 18:20 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2018-02-09 18:30 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Philipp Kern <pkern@debian.org> - 2018-02-09 19:00 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2018-02-09 19:20 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2018-02-09 20:30 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Jeremy Bicha <jbicha@debian.org> - 2018-02-09 20:40 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org> - 2018-02-12 03:30 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 13:00 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 14:00 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Jeremy Bicha <jbicha@ubuntu.com> - 2018-02-14 14:50 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 16:40 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 15:00 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Lars Wirzenius <liw@liw.fi> - 2018-02-14 15:20 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 19:00 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Lars Wirzenius <liw@liw.fi> - 2018-02-14 20:30 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 21:10 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 21:20 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 21:30 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 21:40 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 22:00 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 22:30 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 22:40 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 23:10 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 23:20 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 23:40 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2018-02-15 11:20 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2018-02-15 11:50 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2018-02-15 12:30 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Thibaut Paumard <thibaut@debian.org> - 2018-02-15 13:30 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Vincent Ladeuil <v.ladeuil+debian@free.fr> - 2018-02-15 15:10 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org> - 2018-02-16 03:10 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Dimitri John Ledkov <xnox@debian.org> - 2018-03-12 12:40 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Cédric Boutillier <boutil@debian.org> - 2018-03-12 18:50 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2018-02-15 01:00 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 21:50 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Matt Zagrabelny <mzagrabe@d.umn.edu> - 2018-02-14 21:50 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2018-02-15 08:50 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped gregor herrmann <gregoa@debian.org> - 2018-02-15 09:00 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2018-02-15 09:30 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Thibaut Paumard <thibaut@debian.org> - 2018-02-15 11:20 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped gregor herrmann <gregoa@debian.org> - 2018-02-15 13:10 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Thibaut Paumard <thibaut@debian.org> - 2018-02-15 13:40 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2018-02-15 14:20 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Thibaut Paumard <thibaut@debian.org> - 2018-02-15 15:30 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-02-15 14:20 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 15:50 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 16:10 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 16:10 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 16:30 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 17:10 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2018-02-14 18:30 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2018-02-15 11:20 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2018-02-14 15:10 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Ian Campbell <ijc@debian.org> - 2018-02-14 15:50 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-02-09 19:40 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org> - 2018-02-12 03:20 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2018-02-06 14:40 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Mattia Rizzolo <mattia@debian.org> - 2018-02-06 15:00 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Lars Wirzenius <liw@liw.fi> - 2018-02-06 14:40 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2018-02-06 15:20 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-02-12 09:40 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-02-06 14:40 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Mattia Rizzolo <mattia@debian.org> - 2018-02-06 15:00 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org> - 2018-02-06 16:20 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped "Christian T. Steigies" <cts@debian.org> - 2018-02-07 14:00 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-02-07 15:00 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Ian Campbell <ijc@debian.org> - 2018-02-08 11:20 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2018-02-08 12:00 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Ian Campbell <ijc@debian.org> - 2018-02-09 21:00 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org> - 2018-02-09 23:10 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> - 2018-02-07 16:40 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2018-02-07 11:00 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org> - 2018-02-07 11:50 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2018-02-07 12:30 +0100
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Jeremy Bicha <jbicha@debian.org> - 2018-03-28 22:20 +0200
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org> - 2018-03-29 00:00 +0200
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2018-03-29 00:30 +0200
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Mattia Rizzolo <mattia@debian.org> - 2018-03-29 01:00 +0200
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped "Christian T. Steigies" <cts@debian.org> - 2018-03-29 19:10 +0200
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2018-03-29 20:00 +0200
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2018-03-30 13:30 +0200
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped "Christian T. Steigies" <cts@debian.org> - 2018-04-02 20:40 +0200
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2018-04-02 21:10 +0200
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2018-04-02 21:50 +0200
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2018-04-03 05:10 +0200
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped James McCoy <jamessan@debian.org> - 2018-04-03 05:20 +0200
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped "Christian T. Steigies" <cts@debian.org> - 2018-04-07 20:10 +0200
Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-04-09 15:30 +0200
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