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In article <bk86l3FnphcU1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-01-21, Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes:
> >
> >> On 2014-01-21, Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes:
> >> >
> >> >> Why would you bother attempting to duplicate Raspbian on Mac anyway?
> >> >
> >> > So he can learn how to use Raspbian in a less constrained environment.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not saying this is a good way of doing that - I don't know enough
> >> > about Raspbian to know.
> >> 
> >> I guess I find myself wondering what constraints we're talking about. I
> >> assume one can ssh/telnet into a device running Raspbian,
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> >> which should
> >> give you direct access to all of the goodies needed to learn. 
> >
> > Well, just for starters, you may not have room to install your
> > favorite web browser (depending on what that is) so as you program and
> > run into questions, you might be frustrated by the process of getting
> > them answered.
> 
> I'm not following. I've done embedded software development for years. A
> typical developer would have a programming environment on their main
> workstation that would target the device through a remote connection,
> which would allow them to write and debug code on the device from their
> workstation environment. Such a workstation environment would naturally
> include things like web browsers, email clients, and so on. Why would
> one want to do that stuff on the device itself - especially considering
> its relative speed and constraints?
> 
> > Plus the machine is slow, so it takes longer to find out things don't
> > work.  
> 
> Sure. One might get away with running code locally if there were an
> emulator / environment that allows it, but inevitably, you need to run
> the code directly on the device to know whether it actually works in
> that environment.
> 
> > And, if like me you are an emacs guy, you might find the mouse
> > capabilities of the version of emacs that Raspbian runs are
> > frustrating.  
> 
> Ok.
> 
> > Then there is the question of things like software develepment tools.
> > As you are programming, it could be nice to be doing it on a full
> > computer with lots of tools, only importing the finished product to
> > Raspbian.
> 
> As I explained above, that's the standard practice with most embedded
> software development. Is this really not the case also with Raspbian? If
> so, color me surprised.
> 
> > Etc.  There are really a lot of reasons why one might want to
> > experience a similar operating system running on a proper computer
> > before plunging yourself into an environment with haveily limited
> > speed, memory and storage space.
> 
> I suppose. 
> 
> >> Trying to
> >> make some other Linux distribution mimic Raspbian will present
> >> challenges of its own and is bound to complicate the learning process at
> >> least somewhat for someone unfamiliar with *nix.
> >
> > Yes, probably.  It isn't what I'd do, I expect, but I come from a
> > place of already having some unix familiarity.
> 
> Same here.

I had a similar discussion with a sysadmin client. He bought a Rasberry 
Pi solely to run DNS and LDAP for his home network.  They are low 
overhead services and it should be fine for that. I originally mixed the 
function of an Arduino board with a Rasberry Pi and finally got them 
sorted out. You mention embedded systems and I picture an Arduino while 
a Rasberry Pi is a full-fledged system capable of running Linux and a 
bunch of stuff, albeit slowly.

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MacLINUX Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-01-17 18:31 -0500
  Re: MacLINUX JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-17 18:38 -0500
    Re: MacLINUX Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-01-17 23:28 -0500
      Re: MacLINUX JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-18 00:18 -0500
  Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-17 17:40 -0800
    Re: MacLINUX Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-01-17 23:16 -0500
  Re: MacLINUX Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-17 22:37 -0800
    Re: MacLINUX isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-01-18 13:45 -0800
      Re: MacLINUX Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-18 17:01 -0800
      Re: MacLINUX Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:41 -0500
        Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 18:58 +0000
  Re: MacLINUX Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 10:52 -0500
    Re: MacLINUX Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-01-18 16:37 -0500
      Re: MacLINUX Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-18 14:35 -0800
        Re: MacLINUX Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 04:26 +0000
      Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 01:54 +0000
      Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 12:52 -0800
  Re: MacLINUX Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-20 14:57 +1100
    Re: MacLINUX "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2014-01-20 04:54 +0000
      Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 05:02 +0000
        Re: MacLINUX "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2014-01-20 09:34 +0000
          Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 18:35 +0000
            Re: MacLINUX "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2014-01-20 19:19 +0000
              Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 19:54 +0000
            Re: MacLINUX Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-20 13:13 -0800
              Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 14:04 -0800
                Re: MacLINUX Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-20 14:10 -0800
                Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 14:25 -0800
                Re: MacLINUX Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-01-20 18:38 -0500
                Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 16:45 -0800
                Re: MacLINUX Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-01-21 12:26 -0500
                Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 17:41 +0000
                Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-21 10:24 -0800
                Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 20:48 +0000
                Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-21 12:55 -0800
                Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 21:20 +0000
                Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-21 13:47 -0800
                Re: MacLINUX Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-22 02:22 -0800
                Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:28 +0000
    Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 05:01 +0000
  Re: MacLINUX "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2014-01-20 19:19 +0000
    Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 19:55 +0000

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