Re: MacLINUX

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: MacLINUX
Date	2014-01-22 16:28 +0000
Organization	People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
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On 2014-01-22, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <bk86l3FnphcU1@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-01-21, Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes:
>> >
>> >> On 2014-01-21, Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Why would you bother attempting to duplicate Raspbian on Mac anyway?
>> >> >
>> >> > So he can learn how to use Raspbian in a less constrained environment.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm not saying this is a good way of doing that - I don't know enough
>> >> > about Raspbian to know.
>> >> 
>> >> I guess I find myself wondering what constraints we're talking about. I
>> >> assume one can ssh/telnet into a device running Raspbian,
>> >
>> > Yes.
>> >
>> >> which should
>> >> give you direct access to all of the goodies needed to learn. 
>> >
>> > Well, just for starters, you may not have room to install your
>> > favorite web browser (depending on what that is) so as you program and
>> > run into questions, you might be frustrated by the process of getting
>> > them answered.
>> 
>> I'm not following. I've done embedded software development for years. A
>> typical developer would have a programming environment on their main
>> workstation that would target the device through a remote connection,
>> which would allow them to write and debug code on the device from their
>> workstation environment. Such a workstation environment would naturally
>> include things like web browsers, email clients, and so on. Why would
>> one want to do that stuff on the device itself - especially considering
>> its relative speed and constraints?
>> 
>> > Plus the machine is slow, so it takes longer to find out things don't
>> > work.  
>> 
>> Sure. One might get away with running code locally if there were an
>> emulator / environment that allows it, but inevitably, you need to run
>> the code directly on the device to know whether it actually works in
>> that environment.
>> 
>> > And, if like me you are an emacs guy, you might find the mouse
>> > capabilities of the version of emacs that Raspbian runs are
>> > frustrating.  
>> 
>> Ok.
>> 
>> > Then there is the question of things like software develepment tools.
>> > As you are programming, it could be nice to be doing it on a full
>> > computer with lots of tools, only importing the finished product to
>> > Raspbian.
>> 
>> As I explained above, that's the standard practice with most embedded
>> software development. Is this really not the case also with Raspbian? If
>> so, color me surprised.
>> 
>> > Etc.  There are really a lot of reasons why one might want to
>> > experience a similar operating system running on a proper computer
>> > before plunging yourself into an environment with haveily limited
>> > speed, memory and storage space.
>> 
>> I suppose. 
>> 
>> >> Trying to
>> >> make some other Linux distribution mimic Raspbian will present
>> >> challenges of its own and is bound to complicate the learning process at
>> >> least somewhat for someone unfamiliar with *nix.
>> >
>> > Yes, probably.  It isn't what I'd do, I expect, but I come from a
>> > place of already having some unix familiarity.
>> 
>> Same here.
>
> I had a similar discussion with a sysadmin client. He bought a Rasberry 
> Pi solely to run DNS and LDAP for his home network.  They are low 
> overhead services and it should be fine for that. I originally mixed the 
> function of an Arduino board with a Rasberry Pi and finally got them 
> sorted out. You mention embedded systems and I picture an Arduino while 
> a Rasberry Pi is a full-fledged system capable of running Linux and a 
> bunch of stuff, albeit slowly.

Point taken. My point was the way you develop software for it will likely
be quite similar in most cases.

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MacLINUX Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-01-17 18:31 -0500
  Re: MacLINUX JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-17 18:38 -0500
    Re: MacLINUX Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-01-17 23:28 -0500
      Re: MacLINUX JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-18 00:18 -0500
  Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-17 17:40 -0800
    Re: MacLINUX Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-01-17 23:16 -0500
  Re: MacLINUX Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-17 22:37 -0800
    Re: MacLINUX isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-01-18 13:45 -0800
      Re: MacLINUX Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-18 17:01 -0800
      Re: MacLINUX Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:41 -0500
        Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 18:58 +0000
  Re: MacLINUX Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 10:52 -0500
    Re: MacLINUX Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-01-18 16:37 -0500
      Re: MacLINUX Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-18 14:35 -0800
        Re: MacLINUX Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 04:26 +0000
      Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 01:54 +0000
      Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 12:52 -0800
  Re: MacLINUX Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-20 14:57 +1100
    Re: MacLINUX "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2014-01-20 04:54 +0000
      Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 05:02 +0000
        Re: MacLINUX "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2014-01-20 09:34 +0000
          Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 18:35 +0000
            Re: MacLINUX "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2014-01-20 19:19 +0000
              Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 19:54 +0000
            Re: MacLINUX Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-20 13:13 -0800
              Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 14:04 -0800
                Re: MacLINUX Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-20 14:10 -0800
                Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 14:25 -0800
                Re: MacLINUX Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-01-20 18:38 -0500
                Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 16:45 -0800
                Re: MacLINUX Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-01-21 12:26 -0500
                Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 17:41 +0000
                Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-21 10:24 -0800
                Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 20:48 +0000
                Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-21 12:55 -0800
                Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 21:20 +0000
                Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-21 13:47 -0800
                Re: MacLINUX Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-22 02:22 -0800
                Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:28 +0000
    Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 05:01 +0000
  Re: MacLINUX "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2014-01-20 19:19 +0000
    Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 19:55 +0000

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