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Re: Computer turns on and then just dies

From Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.comp.hardware, alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
Subject Re: Computer turns on and then just dies
Date 2024-11-27 10:19 -0500
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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On Wed, 11/27/2024 10:01 AM, s|b wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 21:04:00 -0500, Paul wrote:
> 
>> Graphic card: AMD-AP38G160U2K  <=============================== I can find no info for this.
> 
> That's my fault; these are the 2 DDR3 modules. This is the graphic card:
> 
> ASUS-EAH5450 SILENT/DI/ 512MB GDDR PCI EXPRESS
> 
>> I'm not getting a match on your video card.
>> Both search engines aren't matching on "AP38G160U2K"
> 
> <https://www.startpage.com/do/dsearch?q=AP38G1608U2K&cat=web&language=english>
> 
> <https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/302780/amd-performance-ap38g1608u2k/specificaties/>
>  
>> The graphics function inside the 100W APU is HD6550D.
> 
> I know. I should have used that one and the shop should have mentioned
> it to me, but I got a PCIe ienstead.
>  
>> The thing is, your Peripheral supply 12V1 is only 10 amps,
>> and that's not going to be enough for much of a standalone
>> video card in an expansion slot.
> 
> So better  not try then.
> 
>> The motherboard has four video connectors on the plate.
>> It has DVI-D, VGA, HDMI, DisplayPort. These run off the APU (CPU+GPU) chip
>> and so to make the PC work, you don't even need a separate video card.
>>
>>    https://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/1721/asus-f1a75-v-pro-layout-6.jpg
> 
> See above. I got the card that I didn't really need. I don't play games
> on PC or anything.
> 
>> Normally, if you had purchased a separate video card, it would
>> go in the long, dark-blue slot on the left of this picture.
>>
>>    https://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/1721/asus-f1a75-v-pro-layout-5.jpg
> 
> That's where it is.
> 
>> The thing is, the AOpen supply is unlikely to have a PCI Express 2x3 power
>> connector on it. And a small video card might need a power source like that.
>> That's why knowing some details about what you are actually
>> using for video is important.
> 
> My fault, I'm sorry. This shoul d be it:
> 
> ASUS-EAH5450 SILENT/DI/ 512MB GDDR PCI EXPRESS
>  
>> Next to the long, dark-blue4 slot on the left of the picture,
>> is the round CMOS battery CR2032.
> 
> Yeah, I replaced that already and then did a BIOS reset by replacing the
> jumper (and then back).
>  
>> The motherboard will not "remember" the BIOS settings you enter, unless
>> the battery is functioning. The clock for example, will show the wrong time.
> 
> These things I'm familiar with. Long ago I did a course 'computer
> hardware'. Nothing fancy, just the basics, enough to build your own PC.
> I can do that, although I did it only twice. It's just when things
> (hardware) start breaking down I lack the knowledge.
>  
>> Using your debug technique of "swap it out", you do not need to
>> replace the CR2032 right away. However, if you fit the Z400 supply,
>> and the Asus LED lights up, but pressing the power button does not
>> work, then replacing the CR2032 would be the next step.
> 
> I checked ealier: the PSU has an on/off button at the back. If I switch
> it on the LED lights up, but only for a short time. After it switches
> off nothing happens when I push the button of the tower.
> 
>> summary: Please examine the contents of the PC and confirm how your
>>          video works. Is there an add-in card in one of the long slots ?
>>          Or are you using a video connector in the group-of-four connectors
>>          in the Legitreviews picture ? It you are using a separate video card,
>>          there may not be enough power for it, or a connector to feed the
>>          card power.
> 
> Again, tnx for taking your time. This is the graphic card (that I didn't
> really need :-) :
> 
> ASUS-EAH5450 SILENT/DI/ 512MB GDDR PCI EXPRESS
> 

The HD5450 is the same as an HD6450 (I have that one) and
it is a 13 watt maximum card. You will nave no trouble
driving that, as that's a low power card suited to media center
applications. I have that card in my Dell Optiplex, as the card
has no power connector and runs off slot power.

The CPU is 10A on a 13A output, which is fine. Because
you haven't used up all your Peripheral power, there will be
sufficient shared amperes, to not be a problem.

The HD5450 is anywhere between 3 watts (idle) and 13 watts.
You can't do much better than that, on a discrete card.
And that card of mine, works in Win10 22H2. The WDM driver
for it, is "good enough" for the job.

*******

Now, let's check my memory.

Listed as 19 watts.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-hd-5450.c503

Mine is 18 watts.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-hd-6450.c402

I don't know if Furmark will run on that, for test.

It's not a closed loop card, so if you can find a program
to drive is hard enough, it might draw 20 watts :-)

   Paul

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