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Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone

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Graham J wrote on Mon, 25 Nov 2024 08:37:30 +0000 :

>> In summary, besides the fact I still need to find a way for her to share my
>> desktop without me having to create an account on someone's server on the
>> Internet, I did find an interesting way to COMPLETELY TAKE OVER someone's
>> PC without having to create an account on someone's server on the net.
> 
> Remote Desktop is designed to take over the remote machine.  It is not a 
> screen-sharing application, so it's not appropriate to your needs.

Yup. I figured that out eventually. But the words are similar for screen
sharing so it fooled both GlowingBlueMist and me since "share" means
different things. 

In this case, "share" meant completely take over exclusively.
I just wanted to share my Windows screen for an iPad (or Android) user.

That way they could "operate" my machine with me watching them do it.
I still don't know how to do that without creating an account somewhere.

> It's also designed for use in a security-conscious environment where 
> users have passwords.  It's more normal application is for users to gain 
> access to a Microsoft Server, where several users can access the server 
> simultaneously and each has their own working environment.  Ordinarily 
> the Remote Desktop service is only available on the Professional or 
> Enterprise versions of Microsoft's desktop operation systems.

Thanks for explaining that Microsoft Remote Desktop (which is now named
"Windows App Mobile" on the Apple App Store and "Remote Desktop" on the
Google App Store) is mostly for the security-conscious environments.

Since I don't live in the slums, I don't put passwords or biometrics on
anything since I happen to not be afraid of the people living with me.
 
I never understood why so many people live in such constant abject fear of
everyone around them that they feel they need constant biometric locking.

> What you appear to need is a Screen-Sharing application.  These are 
> available from several sources, called generically Virtual Network 
> Connection.  Names like RealVNC, TightVNC, and UltraVNC come to mind.

Yes. I need to simply share my screen so that the other person can operate
the mouse and keyboard - although this person is only on an iPhone which,
to me, is ridiculous, since it's so puny - but I just talked her into
purchasing this $250 10th-generation iPad so at least that will be bigger.
 <https://www.engadget.com/deals/black-friday-apple-deals-include-the-10th-gen-ipad-for-a-record-low-price-130005592.html >

I don't think it matters if the client is Android or iOS though. 

I just need to find a server for Windows 10 that doesn't require an account
on the Internet as I don't want anything on the net that doesn't need to be
there.

> For your application, the server component is installed on the Windows 
> PC (any flavour of Windows), you open a port in your router to allow the 
> incoming connection and you need a static public IP address or a Dynamic 
> DNS registration; and your internet connection must not involve GCNAT.

Hmm... I have Windows 10, and while I'm no router expert, there's a section
for "port forwarding" on my router, and I have a static IP address from my
WISP, and, um... er... GCNAT? I have to look that up. Gimme a sec....
 <https://duckduckgo.com/?va=d&t=hc&q=what+is+gcnat&ia=web>
 Carrier-grade NAT
 Carrier-grade NAT, also known as large-scale NAT, is a type of 
 network address translation used by ISPs in IPv4 network design.
 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT>

I have no idea if my tiny WISP has Carrier-grade NAT but I sent an email
asking them so I'll let you know if they do use carrier grade NAT on WISP.

> The client device - the smartphone - has the client component installed. 
>   As you have found, the various app stores may give the client 
> misleading names - others here may be able to say what names are 
> actually used.  The logic of using a smartphone with a tiny screen to 
> see a typical large screen of a desktop PC beats me; but where the 
> client is another desktop PC with a big screen it works well.

Yes. I must agree. There are plenty of people in my household (mostly the
girls and women) who are only on Apple products and only on mobile devices.

How they survive I don't know - but that's the world we have to deal with.
My screen is about three feet wide and I display my devices onto it so
they're about two feet tall which is how "I" operate a mobile device. Sigh.

People who use only mobile devices survive somehow so I gotta give 'em
credit.

> Each flavour of VNC may have strange limitations.  Most often 
> encountered is that the connection stops when the host PC pops up a UAC 
> (User Access Control) window so the user at that PC has to "OK" the 
> prompt before the connection resumes.  But for screen sharing with a 
> user who is present and watching the activity it is not a real problem. 
> It does become a real problem where VNC is used for remote access to an 
> unattended PC - typically when you are away from home and require access 
> to something on your PC at home.

I will be watching everything she does as she needs something that is on my
computer but which I can't give her the login/password to. So I will be
there walking her through every step of the way (as it's complicated).

> Another screen-sharing app is TeamViewer, and this will work through 
> CGNAT since both client and server component talk to a central (traffic 
> cop) facility in the cloud.  There no need to open any special ports in 
> your router.  So the Teamviewer company knows what you are doing and 
> when. 

Ah! I was wondering *WHY* I had to do port forwarding on my router to use
Microsoft Remote Desktop. I guess what you're explaining is that if I do
port forwarding, the server company doesn't know what I'm doing - but if I
don't have to do port forwarding on my router, then the sharing company
does know what I'm doing. Is that right?

For what we're doing, it doesn't matter though as we're not hiding what
we're doing from a TLA - although we'd like to have basic normal privacy.

I tried creating a TeamViewer account long ago, but it won't work with
throwaway email by the way.

> I used this in the past when it was free to home users for 
> occasional use, but now it has stopped working for me.  There is an 
> expensive paid-for version which is more realistically priced for a 
> computer support business.  It's clearly used by the scammers who claim 
> to be from Microsoft while they empty your bank account.

I had liked that the Microsoft Remote Desktop didn't ask for a
login/password account on someone else's server but I guess I'm going to
have to set up an account on the VNC or TeamViewer web sites after all.

I just tried to register a TeamViewer account with a new ProtonMail
account, but ProtonMail apparently blocked it saying that they don't allow
connections right away which are validation queries. Go figure.

Privacy is a bitch... because nobody wants you to have it. :)

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  Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone GlowingBlueMist <zapbot@truely.invalid> - 2024-11-20 22:57 -0600
    Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-11-24 23:29 +0000
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      Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-11-25 08:37 +0000
        Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-25 12:49 +0100
        Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-11-25 23:31 +0000
          Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-26 02:39 +0100
            Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-11-26 01:53 +0000
              Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-26 13:33 +0100
                Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-11-26 14:26 +0000
                Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-11-26 12:56 -0600
            Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-11-26 19:41 -0500
        Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-11-25 18:19 -0600
          Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-11-26 01:42 +0000
          Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-26 02:41 +0100
            Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-11-25 21:05 -0600
              Re: Share Windows screen with an iPhone "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-26 13:11 +0100
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