failure of formal verification [software.imdea.org] (Was: The issue with free speech)

From	Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.prolog
Subject	failure of formal verification [software.imdea.org] (Was: The issue with free speech)
Date	2024-11-06 09:33 +0100
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Hi,

Not only are the fucking PIPs behind a
login wall that doesn't work:

Dictionaries in Prolog
https://gitlab.software.imdea.org/prolog-lang/pip-0102

I cannot read gitlab.software.imdea.org,
since it redirects to some internal server
during login.

Also formal verification doesn't have the
same track record as fuzzying. Take the SWI-Prolog
red-black trees. Are they really red-black trees?

I used fuzzy testing to find the test case.
Exhaustive enumeration of permutation seemed to
be out of reach computationally.

So I used these random permutations to find a
discrepancy in resulting tree depth:

fuzzer(R) :-
    numlist(1, 16, L),
    between(1, 1000, _),
    random_permutation(L, R).

Maybe the same technique can use to find smaller
discrepancies, and then use the smaller examples to
pin down difference in implemented balance

rules or implement rebalancing strategy.

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> @herme wrote:
> 
> Just a quick comment: note that you can make
> and discuss the PIP proposals directly on
> the PIPs discourse.
> 
> Here my response:
> 
> I will probably never go there since somebody
> tried censoring my comments and said I don’t
> work towards the Prolog cause. The good thing
> about SWI-Prolog discourse, it has become
> 
> quite calm cocerning attempts to censor people,
> possibly because some particular people left.
> Which is in my opinion the best thing that
> could happen to this forum. There is no
> 
> guarantee in other forums to really have free speech.
>

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    Differences among the "bomb" and "xbetween" (Was: Request for comments, Novacore the sequel to ISO modules) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-09-24 17:10 +0200
      The issue with free speech Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-09 15:29 +0200
        failure of formal verification [software.imdea.org] (Was: The issue with free speech) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-11-06 09:33 +0100
          Re: failure of formal verification [software.imdea.org] (Was: The issue with free speech) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-11-06 09:35 +0100
            Re: failure of formal verification [software.imdea.org] (Was: The issue with free speech) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-11-06 09:37 +0100
      variant_term/2 is faster than variant/1 (Was: Request for comments, Novacore the sequel to ISO modules) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-12 22:02 +0200
        Re: variant_term/2 is faster than variant/1 (Was: Request for comments, Novacore the sequel to ISO modules) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-12 23:16 +0200
        Re: variant_term/2 is faster than variant/1 (Was: Request for comments, Novacore the sequel to ISO modules) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-12 23:34 +0200
          Re: variant_term/2 is faster than variant/1 (Was: Request for comments, Novacore the sequel to ISO modules) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-13 00:54 +0200
  Re: Request for comments, Novacore the sequel to ISO modules Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-07-29 04:51 -0700
    Re: Request for comments, Novacore the sequel to ISO modules Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-09-07 17:15 -0700
      Re: Request for comments, Novacore the sequel to ISO modules Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2023-11-19 19:56 +0100
        Re: Request for comments, Novacore the sequel to ISO modules Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2023-11-19 19:59 +0100
          Re: Request for comments, Novacore the sequel to ISO modules Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2023-11-19 20:01 +0100
    New milestone float formatting [LoL] (Was: Request for comments, Novacore the sequel to ISO modules) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-07-28 14:32 +0200
      Re: New milestone float formatting [LoL] (Was: Request for comments, Novacore the sequel to ISO modules) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-07-28 14:38 +0200
        Re: New milestone float formatting [LoL] (Was: Request for comments, Novacore the sequel to ISO modules) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-07-28 16:42 +0200
          Re: Differences among the "bomb" and "xbetween" (Was: New milestone float formatting [LoL]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-09-24 17:20 +0200
            New milestone time formatting (Was: Differences among the "bomb" and "xbetween") Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-09-26 13:22 +0200
      More Prolog Improvement Proposals (PIPs) [PIP401 - PIP404] Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-09 09:43 +0200
        Even More Prolog Improvement Proposals (PIPs) [PIP301 - PIP303] (Was: More Prolog Improvement Proposals (PIPs) [PIP401 - PIP404]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-09 09:45 +0200
          Re: Even More Prolog Improvement Proposals (PIPs) [PIP301 - PIP303] (Was: More Prolog Improvement Proposals (PIPs) [PIP401 - PIP404]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-09 10:00 +0200
            Re: Even More Prolog Improvement Proposals (PIPs) [PIP301 - PIP303] (Was: More Prolog Improvement Proposals (PIPs) [PIP401 - PIP404]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-09 11:22 +0200
    A FFI for evaluable functions Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-10 00:14 +0200
      Name resolution is a blackbox (Re: A FFI for evaluable functions) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-10 00:16 +0200
        plonk in discourse (Was: The issue with free speech) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-10 00:48 +0200
          When do two Prolog terms marry? (Was: The issue with free speech) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-14 19:15 +0200
            Re: When do two Prolog terms marry? (Was: The issue with free speech) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-14 19:22 +0200
            native implementation of variant/2 can be fast (Was: When do two Prolog terms marry?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-15 01:35 +0200
      KISS principle pays off (Was: A FFI for evaluable functions) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-11-03 00:52 +0100
    Waste of EU money / bread and butter of statistics (Was: failure of formal verification [software.imdea.org]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-11-06 09:51 +0100
      Re: Waste of EU money / bread and butter of statistics (Was: failure of formal verification [software.imdea.org]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-11-06 10:09 +0100
      Re: Waste of EU money / bread and butter of statistics (Was: failure of formal verification [software.imdea.org]) Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2024-11-06 10:43 +0100
        SICStus Prolog is overrated (Was: Waste of EU money / bread and butter of statistics) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-11-06 12:57 +0100
          Crashing under its own bloath, Scryer Prolog (Was: SICStus Prolog is overrated) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-11-06 13:03 +0100
            “Luce,” which is Italian for “light.” (Was: Crashing under its own bloath, Scryer Prolog) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-11-06 13:12 +0100
              More Poisened Meat balls? [NIVIDIA & OpenAI] (Way: “Luce,” which is Italian for “light.”) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-11-06 13:33 +0100
                Re: More Poisened Meat balls? [NIVIDIA & OpenAI] (Way: “Luce,” which is Italian for “light.”) Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2024-11-06 14:17 +0100
    Not all Red-Black Trees are Okasaki (Was: Request for comments, Novacore the sequel to ISO modules) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-11-07 00:59 +0100
  Re: Request for comments, Novacore the sequel to ISO modules Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-11-19 10:54 -0800

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