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Re: Even More Prolog Improvement Proposals (PIPs) [PIP301 - PIP303] (Was: More Prolog Improvement Proposals (PIPs) [PIP401 - PIP404])

From Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups comp.lang.prolog
Subject Re: Even More Prolog Improvement Proposals (PIPs) [PIP301 - PIP303] (Was: More Prolog Improvement Proposals (PIPs) [PIP401 - PIP404])
Date 2024-10-09 11:22 +0200
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Ok, Scryer Prolog calls it library(arithmetic).
I prefer library(math), since many other programming
languages have Math.random(). But if I remember

well Scryer Prolog has a separate library for
random numbers. The library(arithemtic) might
provide a popcount/2 predicate, but it doesn't

provide a popcount/2 evaluable function. I get this error:

?- ['gridn.p'].
    error(type_error(evaluable,popcount/1),load/1).

Thats a pitty, one more obstacle in portable Prolog code.

P.S.: I know it is hard to make evaluable functions
definable in modules or Prolog text more general.
Especially since executing a Prolog defined evaluable

functions can be non-trivial in terms of stack etc..,
since evaluable functions just like unification etc..
might use other stacks, and therefore mixing with

the Prolog stack can lead to bad performance, because
of some impedence mismatch. But there is a nice compromise,
for native libraries it might be easier to register

a new evaluable function.

Mild Shock schrieb:
> And this one:
> 
> PIP304: library(math)
> Evaluable functions such as popcount/1, etc…
> 
> The idea of a library(math) is brand new,
> I first had it named library(random) and
> then it got out of hands, exploded and
> 
> had many bitwise operations.
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Also interesting development, there is something
>> like “Prologue to Prolog C”, where C possibly
>> stands for cryptography. So maybe a further PIP:
>>
>> PIP301: library(crypto)
>> Predicates such as crypto_data_hash/3, etc…
>>
>> PIP302: library(charsio)
>> Predicates such as open_memory_file/2, etc…
>>
>> PIP303: library(format)
>> Predicates such as format/3, etc…
>>
>> In the above I have also added charsio and format,
>> which is useful in many contexts. Some remark about
>> the 30x modules, they usually a more based on
>>
>> additional native routines. This is unlike the 40x
>> modules, which can have a pure Prolog reference
>> implementation.
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>> How about some of these PIPs:
>>>
>>> PIP401: library(lists)
>>> Provide predicates such as nth1/3, last/2, etc…
>>>
>>> PIP402: library(sets)
>>> Provide predicates such as union/3, subset/2, etc…
>>>
>>> PIP403: library(sequence)
>>> Provide predicates such as call_nth/2, limit/2, etc…
>>>
>>> PIP404: library(aggregate)
>>> Provide predicates such as aggregate_all/3, aggregate/3, etc…
>>>
>>> There was once an effort Prolog Commons, which has
>>> some overlap with the above PIPs:
>>>
>>> The Prolog Commons Group - PART I - Library
>>> https://prolog-commons.org/PrologCommons.html/part_library.html
>>>
>>> But its more modularized than just a Prologue to Prolog,
>>> which has a few list predicates and miscellaneous.
>>>
>>>
>>
> 

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    Differences among the "bomb" and "xbetween" (Was: Request for comments, Novacore the sequel to ISO modules) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-09-24 17:10 +0200
      The issue with free speech Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-09 15:29 +0200
        failure of formal verification [software.imdea.org] (Was: The issue with free speech) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-11-06 09:33 +0100
          Re: failure of formal verification [software.imdea.org] (Was: The issue with free speech) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-11-06 09:35 +0100
            Re: failure of formal verification [software.imdea.org] (Was: The issue with free speech) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-11-06 09:37 +0100
      variant_term/2 is faster than variant/1 (Was: Request for comments, Novacore the sequel to ISO modules) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-12 22:02 +0200
        Re: variant_term/2 is faster than variant/1 (Was: Request for comments, Novacore the sequel to ISO modules) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-12 23:16 +0200
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        Even More Prolog Improvement Proposals (PIPs) [PIP301 - PIP303] (Was: More Prolog Improvement Proposals (PIPs) [PIP401 - PIP404]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-09 09:45 +0200
          Re: Even More Prolog Improvement Proposals (PIPs) [PIP301 - PIP303] (Was: More Prolog Improvement Proposals (PIPs) [PIP401 - PIP404]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-09 10:00 +0200
            Re: Even More Prolog Improvement Proposals (PIPs) [PIP301 - PIP303] (Was: More Prolog Improvement Proposals (PIPs) [PIP401 - PIP404]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-09 11:22 +0200
    A FFI for evaluable functions Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-10 00:14 +0200
      Name resolution is a blackbox (Re: A FFI for evaluable functions) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-10 00:16 +0200
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            native implementation of variant/2 can be fast (Was: When do two Prolog terms marry?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-10-15 01:35 +0200
      KISS principle pays off (Was: A FFI for evaluable functions) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-11-03 00:52 +0100
    Waste of EU money / bread and butter of statistics (Was: failure of formal verification [software.imdea.org]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-11-06 09:51 +0100
      Re: Waste of EU money / bread and butter of statistics (Was: failure of formal verification [software.imdea.org]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-11-06 10:09 +0100
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