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Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details

From Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Newsgroups comp.theory, sci.logic
Subject Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details
Date 2024-06-01 11:20 -0400
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On 6/1/24 10:37 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 6/1/2024 2:52 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 2024-05-31 15:35:18 +0000, olcott said:
> 
>>>
>>> When Ĥ is applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩
>>> Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qy ∞
>>> Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qn
>>
>> Of those two lines one is false.
>> As embedded_H is a copy of H both lines imply that H is not a halt 
>> decider.
>>
>>> *Formalizing the Linz Proof structure*
>>> ∃H  ∈ Turing_Machines
>>> ∀x  ∈ Turing_Machine_Descriptions
>>> ∀y  ∈ Finite_Strings
>>> such that H(x,y) = Halts(x,y)
>>
>> As already noted, the above is not a part of a proof structure.
>>
> 
> Unless and until you provide reasoning to back that up it counts
> as if you said nothing about it.

YOU ARE THE ONE Claiming it is.

I guess you don't understand about Russel's teapot.

> 
>>> That <is> what Linz is claiming is false.
>>> *Here is the same claim with 100% complete specificity*
>>> such that H(⟨Ĥ⟩, ⟨Ĥ⟩) != Halts(⟨Ĥ⟩, ⟨Ĥ⟩)
>>
>> That does not make sense. Every H such that H(⟨Ĥ⟩, ⟨Ĥ⟩) != Halts(⟨Ĥ⟩, 
>> ⟨Ĥ⟩)
>> is uninteresting.
>>
> 
> *Unless it is proven that there is a fatal flaw in the proof*

But your proof has been shown to have the fatal flaw.

You are just proving you don't understand enough of what you are talking 
about to understand the problem

> 
>>> *A quick summary of the reasoning provided below*
>>> The LHS is behavior that embedded_H is allowed to report on.
>>
>> There is no restrictions on what embedded_H is allowed to report on.
> 
> embedded_H is only allowed to report on the behavior that its finite
> string Turing Machine Description specifies to a UTM.trace H^ (H^) to Qn and it will halt, thus eyour embedded_H will halt.

And that is the problem it can't.

Remember, if embedded_H (H^) (H^) goes to Qn, then it can be shown that 
UTH (H^) (H^) will

> 
> embedded_H <is> a UTM except that it stops simulating and reports
> non-halting as soon as it correctly recognizes a non-halting behavior
> pattern that is specified by its input.

Which means it isn't a UTM.

You seem to think that if you take an electric car are replace the 
electric motor with an internal combustion engine, that you still have 
an electric car.

> 
> When Ĥ is applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩
> Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qy ∞
> Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qn
> 
> (a) Ĥ copies its input ⟨Ĥ⟩
> (b) Ĥ invokes embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩
> (c) embedded_H simulates ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩
> (d) simulated ⟨Ĥ⟩ copies its input ⟨Ĥ⟩
> (e) simulated ⟨Ĥ⟩ invokes simulated embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩
> (f) simulated embedded_H simulates ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩
> (g) goto (d)

If that IS what happens, then neither H nor embeeded_H will ever answer 
and thus are not deciders.

You must look at the ACTUAL behavior of the machine, not the behavior of 
some other machine where "embedded_H" isn't the machine it is.

> 
> embedded_H is not allowed to be applied to Ĥ ⟨Ĥ⟩ because inputs can
> only be finite strings and Ĥ is not a finite string. This means
> that embedded_H is not allowed to report on its own actual behavior.

But (H^) (H^) represent the machine H^ (H^), and as you said earlier, H 
/ embedded_H are supposed to answer about their input give to a UTM, and 
that definiton says that UTM (H^) (H^) will have, BY DEFINITION, the 
exact same final behavior as H^ (H^), so while H / embedded_H was given 
the input (H^) (H^) the behavior it needs to decide on it the behavior 
of H^ (H^) as expressed by UTM (H^) (H^) which is by definition the same.

> 
> embedded_H only allowed to report on the behavior specified by its
> finite string input. That behavior never stops running for 1 to ∞ steps
> of ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ correctly simulated by embedded_H.

Nope. Remember, embedded_H is a SPECIFIC machine that this point, so it 
wlll always simulate this given input (also based on this specific 
embedded_H) for a fixed number of steps before it aborts.



> 
>> The only reauirement is that embedded_H has the same transition
>> rules as H. Therefore embedded_H reports the same as H, whether
>> allowed or not.
>>
> 
> Linz H applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ derives a different result than
> embedded_H applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩.

Nope, Can you show that?

He uses the fact that if we assume that all copies of H do the correct 
thing, we get a contradiction. You don't seem to understand how proof by 
contradiction works, maybe because your world seems to be based on the 
assumption that contradictions are not a problem, which is why your 
logic systems just fail.

> 
> This is because the in the latter case embedded_H must determine that
> ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ correctly simulated by embedded_H cannot possibly stop running
> after 1 to ∞ steps of correct simulation. Thus embedded_H meets its
> abort simulation criteria.
> 

Where does he say that?

> The former case of Linz H applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ can see that embedded_H
> has already aborted its simulation, thus it never reaches its own
> abort criteria.
> 
> It is only because everyone since 1936 has rejected simulation
> OUT-OF-HAND without review that no one ever noticed this before.


Nope, you just don't unerstand what people have been talking about since 
you have decided to talk about things you haven't actually studied.

> 
>>> The RHS is behavior that embedded_H NOT is allowed to report on.
>>> The LHS and the RHS specify different behaviors.
>>
>> You have not shown anything with behaviours as LHS and RHS.
>>
>>> Please to not reply here instead reply at the end of my proof
>>> after all of the steps have been presented.
>>
>> Not a reasonable request. Correctness of a step of proof does not
>> depend on what follows. If one step is erroneous the rest is
>> irrelevant.
>>
>

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                A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-26 17:47 -0500
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                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-27 21:24 -0400
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                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-27 21:54 -0400
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                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-27 22:23 -0400
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                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-28 07:34 -0400
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                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-05-29 11:37 +0300
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                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-29 19:47 -0400
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-05-30 10:06 +0300
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-30 08:20 -0500
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                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-05-31 16:00 +0300
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-31 10:35 -0500
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ immibis <news@immibis.com> - 2024-05-31 19:51 +0200
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-01 10:52 +0300
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-01 09:37 -0500
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-01 11:20 -0400
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                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-02 10:42 +0300
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-02 08:21 -0500
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details immibis <news@immibis.com> - 2024-06-02 15:29 +0200
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-03 11:01 +0300
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 07:36 -0500
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-03 18:16 +0300
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                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 13:28 -0500
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-06-03 21:58 +0200
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-03 20:56 -0400
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 14:00 -0500
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-03 20:01 +0000
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 16:17 -0500
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-03 20:56 -0400
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-02 10:36 +0300
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-02 08:07 -0500
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-02 13:23 -0400
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-03 11:07 +0300
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 07:48 -0500
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-03 18:19 +0300
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-03 20:56 -0400
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-27 22:24 -0500
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-28 07:34 -0400
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-28 10:37 -0500
                Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-28 22:04 -0400
                Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2024-05-25 21:09 +0000
                Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-25 16:27 -0500
                Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-05-26 12:47 +0200
                Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-26 08:38 -0500
  Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-05-24 12:03 +0300
    Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-24 07:14 -0400
    Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-24 12:16 -0500
      Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-24 13:31 -0400
        Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-24 15:07 -0500
          Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-24 17:03 -0400
            Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-24 16:41 -0500
              Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-24 18:17 -0400

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