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Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor

From David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor
Date 2023-11-26 16:28 +0100
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On 26/11/2023 14:38, Bonita Montero wrote:
> Am 26.11.2023 um 13:54 schrieb David Brown:
> 
>> Once you stop thinking that code can fail, and write code that doesn't 
>> fail, it all becomes much easier, and RAII is just another useful 
>> tool. (And you can compile with exceptions fully disabled.)
> 
> With exceptions and RAII failures are also very easy to handle because
> you handle them only at a few places and not where they happen or in
> the call levels between.

No, exceptions do not make things easier - they make them /different/. 
Sometimes it might be helpful to move failure handling to a different 
part of the code, sometimes it makes things harder.  Sometimes it is 
best to have a failure handling solution that does not care what can 
fail, or how it can fail, and only think about failures when you have a 
way to deal with them (that's exceptions).  Sometimes it is best to be 
entirely sure about wait failures can occur at the point of failure, and 
deal with them or pass them on explicitly (that's error returns, 
std::expect, railway programming, etc.).  Sometimes it is best to ensure 
failure is not possible within the scope of the software, so that no 
failure handling is needed (or nothing beyond abort(), kernel panic, etc.)

The only thing you can be sure about with failure handling is that 
anyone who says they know the perfect answer, or that their preferred 
method is always far better than others, is wrong.

> Avoiding exceptions looks hard to me because the runtime can throw a
> lot of exceptions, mostly bad_alloc()s or system_error()s.
> 

Any code that sees a "bad_alloc" exception is already borked.  It is not 
failing because of the exception, it is failing because of the bad 
programming.

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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-17 21:16 -0500
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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-18 19:24 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-18 20:29 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-18 21:46 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-18 20:18 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-11-24 01:14 +0200
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-23 21:35 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 08:59 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 01:17 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 10:25 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-24 15:59 +0000
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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-25 00:08 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 16:27 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-25 14:47 -0800
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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-25 18:48 +0100
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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-25 13:12 +0100
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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-11-26 13:54 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-26 14:38 +0100
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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-26 18:51 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-11-26 20:27 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-26 14:38 -0800
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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-19 07:00 +0100
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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-17 18:37 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-18 00:45 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-18 02:30 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-16 11:11 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 07:35 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-13 15:05 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 16:36 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 17:24 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-12 12:48 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-12 19:29 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-12 16:44 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-16 14:16 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-13 04:48 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 14:32 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-13 21:27 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-14 15:12 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-14 20:35 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-13 21:58 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-14 03:27 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 21:28 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 21:29 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-14 20:47 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 12:18 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 12:20 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-15 21:26 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-16 00:25 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-14 20:42 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-28 15:32 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-12 19:17 -0500
          Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-09 05:17 +0000
            Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:18 -0800
              Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:20 -0800
            Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 06:19 +0100
              Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:20 -0800
      Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-08 23:51 +0000
        Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:10 -0800
      Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 15:32 -0800
        Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 05:35 +0100
          Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:17 -0800
            Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 06:22 +0100
              Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:27 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 06:29 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:31 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 06:34 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:36 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 06:40 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:42 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 07:32 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 22:54 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 23:01 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 23:03 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:30 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:32 -0800
      Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 14:59 -0800
    Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-08 19:49 +0000
  Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 18:16 +0100
    Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 13:49 -0800
      Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 05:37 +0100
        Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 20:40 -0800
      Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 20:39 -0800
    Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 13:41 -0800
      Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 05:36 +0100
        Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 20:41 -0800
  Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-08 18:16 +0000
  Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 10:07 +0100
    Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 01:11 -0800
      Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 10:17 +0100
        Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 01:22 -0800
          Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 01:23 -0800
    Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2023-11-10 13:56 +0000
      Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-10 15:08 +0100
        Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-10 15:15 +0100
          Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2023-11-11 02:59 +0000
        Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-10 12:44 -0800
          Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-11 04:53 +0100
            Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-10 20:09 -0800
            Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2023-11-11 04:25 +0000
              Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-11 07:07 +0100
  Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-11 11:41 +0100
    Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-11 16:39 +0100
      Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-11 11:42 -0800
        Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-11 17:49 -0500
        Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-12 05:40 +0100
          Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-12 12:46 -0800
            Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 23:13 -0800
            Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 10:04 +0100
              Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 01:21 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 11:00 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 02:08 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 11:23 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 12:27 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 12:29 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 05:54 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 12:21 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-16 04:00 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 19:10 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-16 03:21 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-16 06:36 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-16 13:06 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-17 06:57 +0100
    Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-11 11:41 -0800
      Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 22:46 -0800

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