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Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor

From Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor
Date 2023-11-08 23:25 +0000
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On 2023-11-08, Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> wrote:
> Am 08.11.2023 um 20:49 schrieb Kaz Kylheku:
>
>> No, the "monitor" idea you're proposing is different in this
>> way.
>
> That's not true. That spurious wakesups may happen with a mutex and
> a condition variable are constituted in that both are separate enti-
> ties.

That doesn't follow. Hoare's original monitor implementation had
separate condition variables, yet no spurious wakeups.

In fact, the condition wait did not require loops! Just:

  if (!whatever_condition)
     monitor.wait(whatever_cond_var);

The thread waiting on the condition was guaranteed to get into
the monitor with the condition still true!

The reason we accept spurious wakeups is that the guarantee is not
efficient on systems with multiple processors, not because
we don't know how to code up the guarantee.

Spurious wakesup are part of the "Mesa semantics" of monitors
and condition variables, in contrast to the "Hoare semantics".

> I've implemented a monitor without spurious wakeups.

It doesn't look like a monitor, if it doesn't have multiple condition
variables. Maybe your approach can support that.

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    Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 20:56 +0100
      Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-08 23:25 +0000
        Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 05:33 +0100
          Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 20:36 -0800
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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 06:17 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:35 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 06:39 +0100
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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 06:42 +0100
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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:44 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 06:45 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:48 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:50 -0800
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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 22:46 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 06:52 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-14 21:10 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 06:07 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-17 21:16 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-18 04:06 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-18 12:53 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-18 20:04 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-18 19:24 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-18 20:29 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-18 21:46 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-18 20:18 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-11-24 01:14 +0200
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-23 21:35 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 08:59 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 01:17 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 10:25 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-24 15:59 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-24 18:33 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 15:39 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-25 00:08 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 16:27 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-25 14:47 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2023-11-25 13:02 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-25 17:28 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-25 18:48 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-25 18:09 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-25 13:12 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-25 18:10 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-25 19:30 +0000
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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-11-26 01:29 +0200
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-25 15:56 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-11-26 13:54 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-26 14:38 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-11-26 16:28 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-26 18:51 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-11-26 20:27 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-26 14:38 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-26 15:00 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-27 05:23 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-11-27 10:38 +0100
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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-26 22:55 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-27 15:15 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-11-28 09:03 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-11-25 13:58 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-18 20:09 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-19 05:58 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-19 05:02 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-19 07:00 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-19 06:08 +0000
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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-20 12:18 -0800
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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 08:56 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 01:22 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 19:10 +0100
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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-25 13:04 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-25 15:06 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-26 11:35 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-26 15:45 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-27 05:24 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-26 22:22 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-27 08:57 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-27 00:28 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-27 09:34 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-27 14:59 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-27 14:59 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-27 15:19 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-28 15:13 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-18 12:46 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-18 21:47 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-18 14:02 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-18 20:20 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-20 13:12 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 08:01 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 08:01 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 06:50 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-11 17:45 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-12 05:43 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-12 05:02 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-12 11:00 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-12 17:18 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 07:33 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 07:47 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 12:50 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 06:20 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 21:21 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 07:44 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 22:51 -0800
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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 23:08 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 23:07 -0800
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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 18:41 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 12:25 -0800
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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-14 22:50 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 12:07 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 05:57 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 12:08 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-16 03:59 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-16 15:02 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-16 18:12 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-16 17:45 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-27 15:24 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-12 17:53 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-12 12:51 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-12 19:33 -0500
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                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-13 22:05 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-14 03:30 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 22:35 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-14 20:26 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 12:11 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-15 23:07 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-16 06:39 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-16 21:48 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-17 16:29 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-17 10:22 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-17 18:37 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-18 00:45 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-18 02:30 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-16 11:11 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 07:35 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-13 15:05 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 16:36 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 17:24 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-12 12:48 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-12 19:29 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-12 16:44 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-16 14:16 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-13 04:48 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 14:32 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-13 21:27 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-14 15:12 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-14 20:35 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-13 21:58 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-14 03:27 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 21:28 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 21:29 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-14 20:47 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 12:18 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 12:20 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-15 21:26 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-16 00:25 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-14 20:42 -0500
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-28 15:32 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-12 19:17 -0500
          Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-09 05:17 +0000
            Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:18 -0800
              Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:20 -0800
            Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 06:19 +0100
              Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:20 -0800
      Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-08 23:51 +0000
        Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:10 -0800
      Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 15:32 -0800
        Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 05:35 +0100
          Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:17 -0800
            Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 06:22 +0100
              Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:27 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 06:29 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:31 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 06:34 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:36 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 06:40 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:42 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 07:32 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 22:54 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 23:01 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 23:03 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:30 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:32 -0800
      Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 14:59 -0800
    Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-08 19:49 +0000
  Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 18:16 +0100
    Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 13:49 -0800
      Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 05:37 +0100
        Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 20:40 -0800
      Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 20:39 -0800
    Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 13:41 -0800
      Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 05:36 +0100
        Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 20:41 -0800
  Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-08 18:16 +0000
  Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 10:07 +0100
    Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 01:11 -0800
      Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 10:17 +0100
        Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 01:22 -0800
          Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 01:23 -0800
    Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2023-11-10 13:56 +0000
      Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-10 15:08 +0100
        Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-10 15:15 +0100
          Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2023-11-11 02:59 +0000
        Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-10 12:44 -0800
          Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-11 04:53 +0100
            Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-10 20:09 -0800
            Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2023-11-11 04:25 +0000
              Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-11 07:07 +0100
  Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-11 11:41 +0100
    Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-11 16:39 +0100
      Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-11 11:42 -0800
        Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-11 17:49 -0500
        Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-12 05:40 +0100
          Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-12 12:46 -0800
            Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 23:13 -0800
            Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 10:04 +0100
              Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 01:21 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 11:00 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 02:08 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 11:23 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 12:27 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 12:29 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 05:54 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 12:21 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-16 04:00 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 19:10 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-16 03:21 +0000
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-16 06:36 +0100
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-16 13:06 -0800
                Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-17 06:57 +0100
    Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-11 11:41 -0800
      Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 22:46 -0800

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