Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem...

From	David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c, comp.lang.c++
Subject	Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem...
Date	2023-11-20 13:33 +0100
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 20/11/2023 08:56, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> On 2023-11-20, David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>> is not just a GG/Usenet matter.  They need to make it more
>> time-consuming to open a new google account, involve more user
>> interaction,
> 
> Just not so demanding of time and interaction that it becomes easier to
> set up Linux and run tin
> 
> Just not that it's easier to install Linux and run tin.

Why would anyone choose to run tin, unless they have been using it for 
the last three decades?  There are many free Usenet clients available, 
for Windows and Linux (and I guess also for Macs).  They are not 
particularly difficult to install or use, and no one needs to use an OS 
that they don't want to use.

Pretty much any human who wants to use GG to access Usenet will already 
have a google account - extra hurdles on making new google accounts 
won't affect them.  For the tiny proportion that need to make a new 
account, it should not be an issue if they have an extra step or two of 
captchas, SMS codes, or whatever.

> 
>> and put limits on the numbers of new accounts from the same
>> IP within a short time-frame.
> 
> "Same IP" only works against the pure amateurs who do not harness large
> numbers of different IP addresses by using botnets or their own IP
> blocks.
> 

The spammers are amateurs.  Any professional spammer group would know 
perfectly well that flooding technical Usenet groups with Thai casino 
adverts is useless.

> Before we blame everything on Google, the first step is getting
> Microsoft to fix the problem that millions of Windows machines are under
> the surreptitious control of bad actors.
> 

I don't blame /everything/ on Google - but this one is most certainly 
their fault.

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(comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-11-19 11:23 +0000
  Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2023-11-19 17:18 +0000
    Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-19 11:51 -0800
    Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-11-20 08:42 +0100
      Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-20 07:56 +0000
        Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-11-20 13:33 +0100
          Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2023-11-20 18:06 +0000
            Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-11-20 21:01 +0100
          Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-11-20 20:03 -0500
          Response to "David Brown" (Was: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem...) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-11-21 09:30 +0000
            Re: Response to "David Brown" (Was: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-11-21 16:47 +0100
              Re: Response to "David Brown" (Was: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem...) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-11-21 16:40 +0000
                Re: Response to "David Brown" (Was: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem...) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2023-11-21 11:49 -0500
                Re: advantage of a web  interface (Was: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem...) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-11-21 22:03 +0200
                Re: Response to "David Brown" (Was: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem...) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-21 16:49 +0000
                Re: Response to "David Brown" (Was: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem...) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-11-21 22:23 +0200
              Re: Response to "David Brown" Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-11-21 12:09 -0800
              Re: Response to "David Brown" (Was: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem...) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-11-21 22:16 +0200
  Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-19 12:25 -0800
  Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... Japanese Spammer Here <invalid@invalid.net> - 2023-11-19 23:25 +0000
    Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2023-11-20 00:04 +0000
  Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2023-11-21 14:42 -0600
  Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2023-12-15 09:38 -0500
    Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-12-15 11:42 -0600
      Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> - 2023-12-15 18:02 +0000
        Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-12-15 12:39 -0600
          Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2023-12-15 19:00 +0000
            Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-12-15 14:00 -0600
              Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-12-15 21:00 +0000
                Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-12-15 16:23 -0600
                Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-12-15 22:43 +0000
                Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-12-15 16:50 -0600
                Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2023-12-16 00:03 +0000
                Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2023-12-16 01:26 +0100
                Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-15 16:39 -0800
            Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-15 17:06 -0300
              Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-15 16:40 -0800
              Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2023-12-16 12:52 +0100

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