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Re: Can't connect to laptop

From VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
Newsgroups alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject Re: Can't connect to laptop
Date 2025-04-28 08:37 -0500
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Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> wrote:

> On 28/04/2025 04:54, VanguardLH wrote:
>> Other than Windows Defender, is she running some 3rd-party anti-malware
>> software?  Many AV programs include firewalling features.
> 
> BitDefender is installed. Could that be the reason?

Possibly.  I've only trialed the free version of Bitdefender which does
not have all the features of the paid version.

https://www.bitdefender.com/en-us/blog/hotforsecurity/free-vs-paid-security-software-which-is-better-for-you

That notes the paid version includes a firewall.  Is she using the free
or paid version?

I don't remember if the free version had a "disable" feature where you
could temporarily disable Bitdefender Free while troubleshooting.  I
would a paid version to have such an override.  Check if you can disable
Bitdefender.  Because AV software digs deep into the OS, you may have to
check if it has a disable that survives a reboot of Windows, so the AV
is not active when Windows starts.  Some AVs have the override during
the current Windows session, but a reboot has them active again.

https://www.bitdefender.com/consumer/support/answer/28557/

Personally I would prefer one option that would disable all of the AV
program, and it would remain disabled even after a reboot, but that
might weaken the protection (even for itself).  Most, maybe all, AVs run
proxies through which to interrogate network traffic.  Even if you
disable the AV, likely the traffic still has to pass through their
proxy.  If their proxy is screwing up the networking, it could continue
screwing it up when the interrogation is disabled.  That's why a reboot
is needed, and where the AV doesn't restart itself, to ensure ALL of the
AV is out of the way during troubleshooting.

>> Without a 3rd-party helper (to present prompts on all connect attempts)
>> or change the default behaviors of the Windows Firewall, the defaults
>> are:
>> 
>> Firewall state: On
>>    Inbound connections: Block
> 
> In the private profile this is allowed.

Oops, I forgot that I'm using the Public networking profile which bars
all the file/folder sharing stuff.

> 
>>    Outbound connections: Allow
> 
> All are.

Because all inbound and outbound connections are allowed, you would
never get a prompt that something wants to make a connection, but that
seems to be how you want your computer, or hers, to operate.  I would
suspect that means there should be no Block rules in Windows Firewall
(those having a red hazard icon).

>> Logging: You could enable to see if something shows up when you are
>>           trying to connect to her computer.
> 
> It says it can't find the log file.

Probably one of those features that get enable during Windows startup.
However, since EVERYTHING in or out is allowed without any prompt to the
user, not sure that anything would get logged.  Nothing gets blocked.  

When you click on Customize for the Logging option, the next dialog
shows where will be the log file. The default is:

%systemroot%\system32\LogFiles\Firewall\pfirewall.log

but you can change to save elsewhere.  This dialog doesn't create the
log file, so I don't understand why you say it cannot find it unless you
changed from the default, but specified an invalid location.  The
logfile probably doesn't get created until there is something to log, so
may "can't find" meant you tried to open the logfile in Notepad before
it got created.

In the Event Viewer (eventvwr.msc), look under Applications and Services
Logs/Microsoft/Windows/NetworkProfile.  A 4004 event gets logged
whenever there is a network connection or re-identified.  Under the NCSI
node, 4042 events indicate the network discovery tool awakened to
determine if the computer is on an Internet connection, on a domain
network, or behind a captive portal.

Back on the compmgmt.msc tool ran on her computer, did it list any
shares (to which you or the "other pc's" can connect)?  Finding the
computer doesn't mean it is sharing anything.

Something I just remembered is that some firewalls in cable modems,
switches, or routers can restrict which hosts can connect to which.
That is, all the hosts may be allowed Internet access, but not allowed
to connect to other intranet hosts.  You'd have to visit the internal
web server in the switch/router/modem to see how it is configured.

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Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-27 11:58 +0200
  Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-27 05:50 -0500
    Re: Can't connect to laptop knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-27 07:11 -0400
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-27 13:33 +0200
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-27 19:31 +0200
    Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-27 13:30 +0200
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-27 09:32 -0400
        Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-27 10:19 -0500
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-27 11:25 -0400
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-27 19:12 +0200
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-27 17:53 +0000
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 11:53 +0200
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-27 14:42 -0400
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 12:12 +0200
          Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-27 21:20 -0500
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 12:26 +0200
              Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-28 07:58 -0500
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 15:31 +0200
      Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-27 11:24 -0500
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-27 18:59 +0200
          Re: Can't connect to laptop knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-27 13:03 -0400
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-27 19:19 +0200
          Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-27 21:54 -0500
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 12:37 +0200
              Re: Can't connect to laptop MikeS <mikes@is.invalid> - 2025-04-28 13:35 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 15:33 +0200
              Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-28 08:37 -0500
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 16:09 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-28 09:53 -0500
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 11:40 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-01 13:05 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 11:44 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Jack <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-02 16:30 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 18:53 +0200
  Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-27 17:31 +0000
    Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 12:42 +0200
      Re: Can't connect to laptop knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-28 08:06 -0400
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 15:35 +0200
      Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-28 09:35 -0500
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-29 09:40 +0200
          Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-29 04:12 -0500
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 11:46 +0200
  Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-04-27 18:46 +0100
    Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 13:02 +0200
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-04-28 14:15 +0100
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 15:39 +0200
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-28 19:31 -0500
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-29 09:29 +0200
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-04-29 08:52 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 11:47 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-01 12:19 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 15:05 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-05-01 16:59 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 11:47 +0200
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-29 10:06 -0500
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Sam E <no.email@here.invalid> - 2025-04-29 17:00 +0000
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 11:48 +0200
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-28 12:26 -0400
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-29 09:47 +0200
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-29 09:39 -0400
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 11:59 +0200
  Re: Can't connect to laptop Jack <Jack@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-28 03:46 +0000
    Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 15:43 +0200
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Jack <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-28 16:52 +0000
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-29 09:51 +0200
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Jack <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-29 20:07 +0000
            Re: Can't connect to laptop knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-29 17:25 -0400
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-29 18:50 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 12:04 +0200
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Jack <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-02 16:35 +0000
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 12:01 +0200
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-01 19:00 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 11:48 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 10:59 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 18:56 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 11:48 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-05 09:19 +0200
  Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-28 08:43 -0500
    Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 16:11 +0200
  Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 16:34 +0200
    Re: Can't connect to laptop knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-28 13:44 -0400
      Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-28 15:35 -0500
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-29 10:08 +0200
          Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-29 04:24 -0500
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 12:08 +0200
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-29 09:52 +0200
  Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-29 10:49 +0100
    Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-29 15:44 +0000
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-29 17:22 +0100
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 12:25 +0200
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 12:24 +0200
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-01 13:05 +0000
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 11:50 +0200
            Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-02 06:27 -0500
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 14:22 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-02 08:31 -0500
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 19:01 +0200
    Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 12:21 +0200
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-01 17:38 +0100
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 11:59 +0200
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 14:42 +0200
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 14:52 +0100
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 19:06 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 18:41 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 20:15 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 21:49 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-05 12:00 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-05 11:40 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 10:57 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-07 10:14 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 15:11 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-07 13:22 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-07 13:45 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 15:28 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-07 17:47 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 21:34 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 15:23 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-07 14:59 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 18:36 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-07 15:00 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 18:38 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-08 15:13 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-09 13:50 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-09 08:41 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-09 13:50 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-09 18:30 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-09 14:01 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 14:03 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Simon Jenkins <user@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-13 00:13 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-14 17:07 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-09 19:00 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 14:07 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-12 15:02 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 20:55 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-12 16:43 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-16 14:42 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-13 10:24 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-16 14:43 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-09 18:37 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-09 14:09 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 14:15 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2025-05-09 20:26 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 14:20 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-12 15:08 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 20:57 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-13 11:01 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-13 15:10 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-14 18:40 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-14 22:16 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-16 14:52 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2025-05-17 21:58 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-17 17:32 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-14 18:36 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-15 15:39 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-16 14:53 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2025-05-20 05:52 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2025-05-20 07:31 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-20 10:49 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-07 09:56 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 18:40 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-07 16:58 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-09 13:56 +0200
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-02 15:01 +0100
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 19:12 +0200
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-02 23:12 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-05 12:01 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-05 11:13 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-05 13:36 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-05 12:59 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 10:59 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-05 14:14 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-05 15:10 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 11:01 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 11:00 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-05 15:08 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 11:02 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-05 11:44 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-05 13:38 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 11:49 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 11:03 +0200
    Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-01 13:16 -0500
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-01 22:34 +0100
        Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-01 18:42 -0500
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 02:55 +0100
            Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-01 22:23 -0500
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 11:17 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-02 06:05 -0500
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 13:28 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 13:46 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-02 08:46 -0500
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 14:58 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-02 10:30 -0500
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 18:14 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-02 10:34 -0500
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 18:37 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 19:15 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-03 01:34 -0500
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-05 12:10 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-05 12:11 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-05 13:42 +0200
            Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-01 22:25 -0500
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 11:24 +0100
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 12:02 +0200
  Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-05 14:42 +0000
    Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 11:06 +0200
  Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 15:41 +0200
    Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-07 17:41 +0100
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-09 14:14 +0200
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-09 15:05 -0400
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-10 00:33 +0100
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 14:25 +0200
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-12 14:29 +0100
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 20:59 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-12 16:51 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-14 18:44 +0200
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-14 18:42 +0200
  Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-16 14:46 +0200

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