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Re: Can't connect to laptop

From Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl>
Newsgroups alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject Re: Can't connect to laptop
Date 2025-04-28 16:09 +0200
Message-ID <m79gh7F3qlU6@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
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On 28/04/2025 15:37, VanguardLH wrote:
> Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> wrote:
> 
>> On 28/04/2025 04:54, VanguardLH wrote:
>>> Other than Windows Defender, is she running some 3rd-party anti-malware
>>> software?  Many AV programs include firewalling features.
>>
>> BitDefender is installed. Could that be the reason?
> 
> Possibly.  I've only trialed the free version of Bitdefender which does
> not have all the features of the paid version.
> 
> https://www.bitdefender.com/en-us/blog/hotforsecurity/free-vs-paid-security-software-which-is-better-for-you
> 
> That notes the paid version includes a firewall.  Is she using the free
> or paid version?

The paid version is installed. And there is a firewall indeed, but I 
couldn't find how to disable that. Or I should uninstall BitDefender.
> 
> I don't remember if the free version had a "disable" feature where you
> could temporarily disable Bitdefender Free while troubleshooting.  I
> would a paid version to have such an override.  Check if you can disable
> Bitdefender.  Because AV software digs deep into the OS, you may have to
> check if it has a disable that survives a reboot of Windows, so the AV
> is not active when Windows starts.  Some AVs have the override during
> the current Windows session, but a reboot has them active again.
> 
> https://www.bitdefender.com/consumer/support/answer/28557/
> 
> Personally I would prefer one option that would disable all of the AV
> program, and it would remain disabled even after a reboot, but that
> might weaken the protection (even for itself).  Most, maybe all, AVs run
> proxies through which to interrogate network traffic.  Even if you
> disable the AV, likely the traffic still has to pass through their
> proxy.  If their proxy is screwing up the networking, it could continue
> screwing it up when the interrogation is disabled.  That's why a reboot
> is needed, and where the AV doesn't restart itself, to ensure ALL of the
> AV is out of the way during troubleshooting.
> 
>>> Without a 3rd-party helper (to present prompts on all connect attempts)
>>> or change the default behaviors of the Windows Firewall, the defaults
>>> are:
>>>
>>> Firewall state: On
>>>     Inbound connections: Block
>>
>> In the private profile this is allowed.
> 
> Oops, I forgot that I'm using the Public networking profile which bars
> all the file/folder sharing stuff.

Yes, all oyr pc's and laptops use the private profiles.
> 
>>
>>>     Outbound connections: Allow
>>
>> All are.
> 
> Because all inbound and outbound connections are allowed, you would
> never get a prompt that something wants to make a connection, but that
> seems to be how you want your computer, or hers, to operate.  I would
> suspect that means there should be no Block rules in Windows Firewall
> (those having a red hazard icon).

No, there are no Block rules.
> 
>>> Logging: You could enable to see if something shows up when you are
>>>            trying to connect to her computer.
>>
>> It says it can't find the log file.
> 
> Probably one of those features that get enable during Windows startup.
> However, since EVERYTHING in or out is allowed without any prompt to the
> user, not sure that anything would get logged.  Nothing gets blocked.
> 
> When you click on Customize for the Logging option, the next dialog
> shows where will be the log file. The default is:
> 
> %systemroot%\system32\LogFiles\Firewall\pfirewall.log

I'll have a look at that.
> 
> but you can change to save elsewhere.  This dialog doesn't create the
> log file, so I don't understand why you say it cannot find it unless you
> changed from the default, but specified an invalid location.  The
> logfile probably doesn't get created until there is something to log, so
> may "can't find" meant you tried to open the logfile in Notepad before
> it got created.
> 
> In the Event Viewer (eventvwr.msc), look under Applications and Services
> Logs/Microsoft/Windows/NetworkProfile.  A 4004 event gets logged
> whenever there is a network connection or re-identified.  Under the NCSI
> node, 4042 events indicate the network discovery tool awakened to
> determine if the computer is on an Internet connection, on a domain
> network, or behind a captive portal.

After power up I found 3 4004 events. Happend more times.
> 
> Back on the compmgmt.msc tool ran on her computer, did it list any
> shares (to which you or the "other pc's" can connect)?  Finding the
> computer doesn't mean it is sharing anything.

Yes, indeed. 2 Folders that I shared, and 3 others ending with $.
> 
> Something I just remembered is that some firewalls in cable modems,
> switches, or routers can restrict which hosts can connect to which.
> That is, all the hosts may be allowed Internet access, but not allowed
> to connect to other intranet hosts.  You'd have to visit the internal
> web server in the switch/router/modem to see how it is configured.

No problems here. Every host is accessable.

Fokke

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Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-27 11:58 +0200
  Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-27 05:50 -0500
    Re: Can't connect to laptop knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-27 07:11 -0400
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-27 13:33 +0200
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-27 19:31 +0200
    Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-27 13:30 +0200
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-27 09:32 -0400
        Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-27 10:19 -0500
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-27 11:25 -0400
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-27 19:12 +0200
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-27 17:53 +0000
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 11:53 +0200
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-27 14:42 -0400
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 12:12 +0200
          Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-27 21:20 -0500
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 12:26 +0200
              Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-28 07:58 -0500
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 15:31 +0200
      Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-27 11:24 -0500
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-27 18:59 +0200
          Re: Can't connect to laptop knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-27 13:03 -0400
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-27 19:19 +0200
          Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-27 21:54 -0500
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 12:37 +0200
              Re: Can't connect to laptop MikeS <mikes@is.invalid> - 2025-04-28 13:35 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 15:33 +0200
              Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-28 08:37 -0500
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 16:09 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-28 09:53 -0500
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 11:40 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-01 13:05 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 11:44 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Jack <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-02 16:30 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 18:53 +0200
  Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-27 17:31 +0000
    Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 12:42 +0200
      Re: Can't connect to laptop knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-28 08:06 -0400
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 15:35 +0200
      Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-28 09:35 -0500
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-29 09:40 +0200
          Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-29 04:12 -0500
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 11:46 +0200
  Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-04-27 18:46 +0100
    Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 13:02 +0200
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-04-28 14:15 +0100
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 15:39 +0200
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-28 19:31 -0500
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-29 09:29 +0200
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-04-29 08:52 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 11:47 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-01 12:19 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 15:05 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-05-01 16:59 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 11:47 +0200
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-29 10:06 -0500
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Sam E <no.email@here.invalid> - 2025-04-29 17:00 +0000
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 11:48 +0200
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-28 12:26 -0400
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-29 09:47 +0200
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-29 09:39 -0400
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 11:59 +0200
  Re: Can't connect to laptop Jack <Jack@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-28 03:46 +0000
    Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 15:43 +0200
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Jack <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-28 16:52 +0000
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-29 09:51 +0200
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Jack <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-29 20:07 +0000
            Re: Can't connect to laptop knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-29 17:25 -0400
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-29 18:50 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 12:04 +0200
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Jack <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-02 16:35 +0000
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 12:01 +0200
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-01 19:00 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 11:48 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 10:59 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 18:56 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 11:48 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-05 09:19 +0200
  Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-28 08:43 -0500
    Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 16:11 +0200
  Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 16:34 +0200
    Re: Can't connect to laptop knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-28 13:44 -0400
      Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-28 15:35 -0500
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-29 10:08 +0200
          Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-29 04:24 -0500
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 12:08 +0200
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-29 09:52 +0200
  Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-29 10:49 +0100
    Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-29 15:44 +0000
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-29 17:22 +0100
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 12:25 +0200
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 12:24 +0200
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-01 13:05 +0000
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 11:50 +0200
            Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-02 06:27 -0500
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 14:22 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-02 08:31 -0500
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 19:01 +0200
    Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 12:21 +0200
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-01 17:38 +0100
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 11:59 +0200
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 14:42 +0200
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 14:52 +0100
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 19:06 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 18:41 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 20:15 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 21:49 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-05 12:00 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-05 11:40 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 10:57 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-07 10:14 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 15:11 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-07 13:22 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-07 13:45 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 15:28 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-07 17:47 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 21:34 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 15:23 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-07 14:59 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 18:36 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-07 15:00 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 18:38 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-08 15:13 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-09 13:50 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-09 08:41 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-09 13:50 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-09 18:30 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-09 14:01 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 14:03 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Simon Jenkins <user@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-13 00:13 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-14 17:07 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-09 19:00 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 14:07 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-12 15:02 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 20:55 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-12 16:43 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-16 14:42 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-13 10:24 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-16 14:43 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-09 18:37 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-09 14:09 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 14:15 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2025-05-09 20:26 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 14:20 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-12 15:08 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 20:57 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-13 11:01 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-13 15:10 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-14 18:40 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-14 22:16 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-16 14:52 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2025-05-17 21:58 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-17 17:32 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-14 18:36 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-15 15:39 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-16 14:53 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2025-05-20 05:52 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2025-05-20 07:31 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-20 10:49 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-07 09:56 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 18:40 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-07 16:58 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-09 13:56 +0200
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-02 15:01 +0100
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 19:12 +0200
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-02 23:12 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-05 12:01 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-05 11:13 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-05 13:36 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-05 12:59 +0000
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 10:59 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-05 14:14 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-05 15:10 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 11:01 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 11:00 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-05 15:08 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 11:02 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-05 11:44 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-05 13:38 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 11:49 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 11:03 +0200
    Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-01 13:16 -0500
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-01 22:34 +0100
        Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-01 18:42 -0500
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 02:55 +0100
            Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-01 22:23 -0500
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 11:17 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-02 06:05 -0500
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 13:28 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 13:46 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-02 08:46 -0500
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 14:58 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-02 10:30 -0500
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 18:14 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-02 10:34 -0500
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 18:37 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 19:15 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-03 01:34 -0500
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-05 12:10 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-05 12:11 +0100
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-05 13:42 +0200
            Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-01 22:25 -0500
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 11:24 +0100
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 12:02 +0200
  Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-05 14:42 +0000
    Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 11:06 +0200
  Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 15:41 +0200
    Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-07 17:41 +0100
      Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-09 14:14 +0200
        Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-09 15:05 -0400
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-10 00:33 +0100
          Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 14:25 +0200
            Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-12 14:29 +0100
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 20:59 +0200
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-12 16:51 -0400
                Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-14 18:44 +0200
              Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-14 18:42 +0200
  Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-16 14:46 +0200

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