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Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism.

From Volney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism.
Date 2023-08-26 10:44 -0400
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On 8/26/2023 3:13 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 24.08.2023 um 19:25 schrieb Volney:
> 
>>>
>>> There are many errors in the theory of relativity and they are errors
>>> of concept.
>>
>> No, there are no errors other than one or two instances of awkward text.
> 
> 
> I think, the text is FULL of errors.

It's not; ALL the errors anyone has looked at are yours.
> 
> The amount of errors is just tremendous (>400).

Except there aren't any.
> 
> 
>>> For example, I read someone who said: "The x and t coordinates in
>>> Lorentz transformations".
>>>
>>> But these are not coordinates.
>>>
>>> x, y, z, ARE coordinates.
>>>
>>> t is not a coordinate.
>>
>> You miss the entire point of what made SR so important. Time is a
>> coordinate, but different from x y z. They can transform between them
>> and t, just like transforming between x and y by simple rotations. That
>> was the breakthrough of SR.
> 
> 
> Time is not belonging to the set of numbers in euclidean space, which 
> denote positions (Einstein used Euclidean space).

The whole point was the end result was non-Euclidean once time was included.
> 
> Time may eventually be unified to a construct called 'four-vector' and 
> the space of all posiible events in spacetime.

Key word: "spacetime".
> 
> But Einstein didn't use four-vectors in his 1905 paper.

The concept wasn't fully developed yet. The 1905 paper wasn't the end of 
SR development.
> 
> The rotation of the time-axis into spatial dimensions was also not 
> considered in his paper.
> 
> Instead time was defined as what a clock says. That clock was defined by 
> Einstein as 'my watch'.

And then he goes to show what the clocks (time) will say.
> 
> (which not a very useful definition, btw.)

What's a better definition that's actually real?

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Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 15:31 -0700
  Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 15:37 -0700
    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 18:07 -0700
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      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 20:34 -0700
  Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 21:18 -0700
    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 01:04 -0700
      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-07 11:15 +0200
        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 08:24 -0700
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                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-08 12:26 -0700
                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-08 21:49 -0700
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