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Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism.

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism.
Date 2023-09-09 07:59 +0200
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Am 09.09.2023 um 06:18 schrieb Tom Roberts:
> [The subject of this thread is as much a fantasy as the post to which I
> am responding.]
>
> On 9/8/23 2:28 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> It is apparently illegal to criticise Einstein's SRT.
>
> That is complete and utter nonsense. Ditto for the "hundreds of
> errors" you fantasize that Einstein made in his 1905 paper.
>
>> I have absolutely no other explanation for the behaviour of
>> participants in these discussions here (and elsewhere) about this topic.
>
> That's because you have no understanding of either physics or how
> physicists behave.
>
> When fools and idiots claim to have "refuted SR" with arguments that
> have been disproven dozens of times over the past century, or that
> completely misrepresent the theory, we are fully justified in ignoring
> them. That includes you and all the other cranks around here -- NONE of
> you have ever presented any real argument against SR, you merely
> fantasize that you do so, and are too ignorant and arrogant to accept
> that FACT that you have not.
>
>> So: you cannot correct SRT, because you  are requested to believe what
>> you are told. Period.
>
> More nonsense. Period.
>
> Physicists would celebrate any actual refutation of SR, because it would
> necessarily teach us something new and VERY interesting -- that requires
> a new experiment, and posting nonsense around here simply cannot do it.
>

It is and was not my aim to refute SRT, which I actually regard as correct.

I had a totally different approach, which is actually not related to 
relativity.

I was looking on 'technical' issues alone.


E.g. I was looking for equivalence of a setting with the equation, which 
describes this setting.

So, I have analysed, what Einstein wrote in words and whether or not the 
subsequent derivation of a mathematical description would match this 
setting.

This was, unfortunately not always the case.

Also really bad were certain habits, like to reuse variables, use 
generic variables for specific purposes, change the type of variables 
without notice or giving no hints in form of signs like e.g. different 
font for different types of mathematical objects.

Also inconsistencies like defining names one way, but using actually 
another, was criticised.

And I don't really see, how you could possibly defend any of these issues.

Actually you didn't even try and mentioned alleged errors on my side, 
but didn't show any of them at all.


This is actually my experience all the time and since roughly twenty 
years in this forum.

It is simply impossible to discuss issues in Einstein's paper.

MANY did that, like e.g. Androcles.

But NOTHING has changed and most likely never will.


TH

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