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Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service

From Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.project, linux.debian.bugs.dist
Subject Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service
Date 2017-08-07 21:00 +0200
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 ❦  7 août 2017 18:12 GMT, "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> :

>> We have all kind of software advertising non-free services. Search for
>> "Google" or "Amazon". The comparison is even unfair as the service
>> advertised here is available as free software (not the case for most
>> services from Amazon and Google we advertise).
>
> If other packages are worse, that means they should be fixed, not that this
> should be allowed.
>
>> Example: [s3cmd]
>
> How is this not in contrib?  This software is useless without the non-free
> service (which is also software, and it is not in main) from Amazon.  Policy
> even mentions as an example for things in contrib: wrapper packages or other
> sorts of free accessories for non-free programs.  That's exactly what
> this is.
>
> I didn't know that this was in main, and I expect most others to not know
> either.  But I don't think they should be.  I wouldn't expect this to be
> controversial, but it seems that it is, given that you suggest they obviously
> belong in main?
>
> To be clear: the sort of software (of this type) I expect in main is like
> mumble: it connects to a server, and you can connect to a commercially hosted
> server if you want to, but you can also run your own server, because it's free
> software.  If the mumble server would not be free, and the only way to use the
> client was to connect to a commercial server, mumble should not be in main.
>
> As I wrote, I expected there to be consensus on this.  Am I incorrect about
> that?

In this case, free S3 implementations exist (like Swift, available
in Debian). However, it is easy to find other packages interacting with
proprietary services without a free implementation. For example, any
package interacting with Google Cloud (golang-google-cloud package).
-- 
Your manuscript is both good and original, but the part that is good is not
original and the part that is original is not good.
		-- Samuel Johnson

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Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> - 2017-08-05 02:10 +0200
  Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-08-05 15:50 +0200
    Re: Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial  service "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <bas@wijnen.dtdns.net> - 2017-08-06 09:30 +0200
    Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> - 2017-08-06 17:30 +0200
  Bug#856139: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2017-08-06 14:20 +0200
    Bug#856139: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org> - 2017-08-06 14:40 +0200
    Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises  commercial service "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2017-08-07 20:20 +0200
      Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2017-08-07 21:00 +0200
        Debian packages advertising non-free services (was: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service) Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 01:40 +0200
          Re: Debian packages advertising non-free services Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 07:40 +0200
            Re: Debian packages advertising non-free services Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2017-08-08 07:50 +0200
              Re: Debian packages advertising non-free services Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 09:00 +0200
              Re: Debian packages advertising non-free services Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 10:10 +0200
            Re: Debian packages advertising non-free services Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 08:20 +0200
      Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-08-08 05:50 +0200
        Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises  commercial service Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2017-08-11 14:10 +0200
          Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-08-11 17:00 +0200
          Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises  commercial service Faidon Liambotis <paravoid@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 00:00 +0200
            Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial  service Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> - 2017-08-12 05:50 +0200
            Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises  commercial service "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 08:30 +0200
              Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 09:00 +0200
                Are online services also software for Debian's rules? "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 09:40 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 10:00 +0200
              Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises  commercial service Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-12 10:10 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 11:20 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 12:10 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 17:20 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2017-08-13 22:10 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2017-08-13 23:10 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 02:30 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 02:30 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 14:10 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2017-08-14 15:00 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 15:10 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 15:30 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Marc Haber <mh+debian-project@zugschlus.de> - 2017-08-14 15:30 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2017-08-14 19:40 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 19:50 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-12 12:10 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2017-08-12 16:00 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-12 16:20 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2017-08-12 16:50 +0200
                win32-loader (was: Re: Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service) Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 17:00 +0200
              Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises  commercial service Tobias Frost <tobi@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 17:40 +0200

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