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Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd

From deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd
Date 2017-12-08 21:40 +0100
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tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> Now watch all the old skoolers dashing out of their little caves and
> waving their fists at something which could be read as a provocation
> (I'm myself one of those, just look a bit upthread :)
> 

It is not about old or new, but about known and unknown. Unkown exposes me
to risk. As also highlighted here the solution is not the best on multiuser
environment, but I think one could configure systemd to respect the
requirements.
I first accepted systemd also advocated for "progress", but after a long
discussion here (at least 6months ago) I revisited my opinion and installed
sysvinit first on the server and then on the desktop, notebook etc.

> In the sense of civilized discourse, I now do a bit of introspection
> and think one could read Michael's statement differently. For those
> using the computers "classically", there was no mess. Issue su at
> any console (most of us did the migration to sudo a while ago, since
> it's more convenient and a tad safer), done. No mess.
> 

This is true and I think we'll find time to learn systemd and get
comfortable with that.

> But for a desktop environment, which has been silently permeated
> by the assumption "one computer -- one user -- one display/keyboard"
> and which wants to offer their users transparent access to system
> management tasks (install printer, package system, video resolution,
> yadda yadda) in a way that looks somewhat like Those Other Operating
> Systems, the implementations we have seen are a mess, all this
> Gnome *kit horror and whatever KDE does (there's enough mess still
> left: why have Gnome and KDE to invent their own virtual file
> systems? Have you ever had a look at what Gnome does to attach
> emblems to files? And so on).
> 

This is also true - gnome went insane and KDE unusable as of v4.

> So I understand perfectly that those desktop environments have
> clinged desperately to systemd. They are constantly on the brink
> of breaking down under their own complexity, so exporting some
> of it to Some Other Place always feels like a bit of fresh air.
> 
> So in this context, I'd say Michael is spot on.
> 
> Now if you don't buy into that desktop thing, systemd doesn't
> look like a simplification or sorting out some mess, I'd think.
> But some agree to differ on that too.

For me personally systemd is very new and I need to find time to understand
it and be able to manage it.

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Embarrassing security bug in systemd Urs Thuermann <urs@isnogud.escape.de> - 2017-12-06 23:20 +0100
  Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2017-12-06 23:50 +0100
    Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2017-12-07 00:40 +0100
      Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2017-12-07 03:50 +0100
        Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 07:30 +0100
  Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2017-12-06 23:50 +0100
    Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Dave Sherohman <dave@sherohman.org> - 2017-12-07 10:40 +0100
      Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2017-12-07 11:30 +0100
        Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-12-07 11:50 +0100
          Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-12-09 03:50 +0100
            Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-09 17:50 +0100
              Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-12-10 10:00 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-10 20:40 +0100
      Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-07 11:40 +0100
      Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2017-12-07 16:00 +0100
        Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> - 2017-12-07 20:30 +0100
          Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-08 09:20 +0100
          Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 12:40 +0100
            Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-08 13:40 +0100
              Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 21:40 +0100
            Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-12-08 17:10 +0100
              Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-12-08 19:10 +0100
              Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Menelaos Maglis <mmaglis@metacom.gr> - 2017-12-08 19:40 +0100
              Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Menelaos Maglis <mmaglis@metacom.gr> - 2017-12-08 19:50 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-12-08 20:50 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-08 21:20 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-12-09 09:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-09 11:20 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-12-09 19:40 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-12-09 20:30 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-09 22:00 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-12-10 00:40 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-12-10 10:40 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-12-10 11:20 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-12-10 12:40 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-12-10 16:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-11 15:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2017-12-09 21:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-09 21:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-08 21:50 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2017-12-08 22:30 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2017-12-09 02:50 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2017-12-09 06:50 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-12-09 09:20 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-12-09 09:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-12-15 13:30 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-15 14:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2017-12-15 16:00 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-08 21:50 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-08 22:40 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2017-12-09 00:30 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-09 10:00 +0100
        Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Dave Sherohman <dave@sherohman.org> - 2017-12-08 10:00 +0100
      Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 23:40 +0100
        Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-12-09 00:30 +0100
          Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-09 01:20 +0100
            Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-12-09 11:40 +0100
              Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-09 15:30 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2017-12-10 01:00 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-10 22:20 +0100
              Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-09 17:50 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-09 18:20 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-09 21:20 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-10 12:00 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-10 17:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-10 20:40 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-10 21:30 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-10 23:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-11 00:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-11 00:50 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-11 12:30 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-11 13:40 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-11 14:40 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-10 21:50 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2017-12-11 13:00 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-11 13:40 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-11 16:30 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-10 23:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-11 01:30 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-11 04:40 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-11 06:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-11 07:40 +0100
                Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) (was: Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-12-11 15:40 +0100
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                Re: Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) (was: Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-12-11 18:30 +0100
                Re: Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) (was: Re: Embarrassing  security bug in systemd) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-12-11 16:30 +0100
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                Re: Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-11 20:10 +0100
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                Re: Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2017-12-12 17:30 +0100
                Re: Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-12 17:50 +0100
                Re: Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-12-12 18:20 +0100
                Re: Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2017-12-13 04:40 +0100
                Re: Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) (was: Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-12-11 18:30 +0100
                Re: Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) (was: Re: Embarrassing  security bug in systemd) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-12 19:10 +0100
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                Re: UID 1000 on Raspberry Pi (Was: Re: Embarrassing security bug in  systemd) Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-01-09 16:30 +0100
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          Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Menelaos Maglis <mmaglis@metacom.gr> - 2017-12-09 01:40 +0100
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              Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-12-09 10:50 +0100
        Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2017-12-09 16:40 +0100
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          Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-09 18:20 +0100
  Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2017-12-07 00:00 +0100
    Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-12-07 09:40 +0100
  Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 00:10 +0100
  Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-07 00:10 +0100
    Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2017-12-07 03:50 +0100
  Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2017-12-07 00:20 +0100
    Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2017-12-07 00:50 +0100
      Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2017-12-07 01:20 +0100
        Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2017-12-07 03:50 +0100
      Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-07 02:10 +0100
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          Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2017-12-07 08:30 +0100
    Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> - 2017-12-07 00:50 +0100
      Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 02:40 +0100
      Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Menelaos Maglis <mmaglis@metacom.gr> - 2017-12-08 10:40 +0100
        Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2017-12-08 13:40 +0100
          Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 20:10 +0100
  Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-07 01:10 +0100
  Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2017-12-07 08:30 +0100
  Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Baron <dbaron770@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 08:50 +0100

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