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Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd

From Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd
Date 2017-12-07 01:20 +0100
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On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 03:25:10PM -0800, James H. H. Lampert wrote:
>Now, now, you walk up to the physical console on an AS/400, you're not 
>going to be able to do a PWRDWNSYS from a sign-on screen, nor can do 
>it if signed on as a user who doesn't have sufficient authority to do 
>a PWRDWNSYS. And you might be physically locked out of the front 
>panel. It's even possible that you might be physically interdicted 
>from unplugging the box, or shutting it down from the circuit breaker 
>panel.
>
>Not every OS assumes by default that anybody with physical access to 
>the hardware also has the authority to shut it down.

In the extremely unlikely event that you have your debian system
configured with that level of physical access control, you can adjust 
the power/reboot permissions to suit your preferences. For most other 
users, the defaults are reasonable.

The main realistic use case of a different default is kiosk systems, 
where changing the privileges given to locally logged in users is just 
one of the steps that should be taken. In general, defaults are chosen 
to be useful for the largest set of users. 

Side note: historically, people have always wanted to be able to reboot 
or shutdown the system they were sitting in front of. This led to a lot 
of really horrible solutions, like a bunch of setuid helper programs and 
one-off site specific hacks. Having this functionality standardized in 
one place is a net win for security, especially since there's also now a 
single standarized way to change the privileges.

Mike Stone

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Embarrassing security bug in systemd Urs Thuermann <urs@isnogud.escape.de> - 2017-12-06 23:20 +0100
  Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2017-12-06 23:50 +0100
    Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2017-12-07 00:40 +0100
      Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2017-12-07 03:50 +0100
        Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 07:30 +0100
  Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2017-12-06 23:50 +0100
    Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Dave Sherohman <dave@sherohman.org> - 2017-12-07 10:40 +0100
      Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2017-12-07 11:30 +0100
        Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-12-07 11:50 +0100
          Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-12-09 03:50 +0100
            Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-09 17:50 +0100
              Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-12-10 10:00 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-10 20:40 +0100
      Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-07 11:40 +0100
      Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2017-12-07 16:00 +0100
        Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> - 2017-12-07 20:30 +0100
          Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-08 09:20 +0100
          Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 12:40 +0100
            Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-08 13:40 +0100
              Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 21:40 +0100
            Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-12-08 17:10 +0100
              Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-12-08 19:10 +0100
              Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Menelaos Maglis <mmaglis@metacom.gr> - 2017-12-08 19:40 +0100
              Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Menelaos Maglis <mmaglis@metacom.gr> - 2017-12-08 19:50 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-12-08 20:50 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-08 21:20 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-12-09 09:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-09 11:20 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-12-09 19:40 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-12-09 20:30 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-09 22:00 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-12-10 00:40 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-12-10 10:40 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-12-10 11:20 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-12-10 12:40 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-12-10 16:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-11 15:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2017-12-09 21:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-09 21:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-08 21:50 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2017-12-08 22:30 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2017-12-09 02:50 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2017-12-09 06:50 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-12-09 09:20 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-12-09 09:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-12-15 13:30 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-15 14:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2017-12-15 16:00 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-08 21:50 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-08 22:40 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2017-12-09 00:30 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-09 10:00 +0100
        Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Dave Sherohman <dave@sherohman.org> - 2017-12-08 10:00 +0100
      Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 23:40 +0100
        Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-12-09 00:30 +0100
          Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-09 01:20 +0100
            Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-12-09 11:40 +0100
              Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-09 15:30 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2017-12-10 01:00 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-10 22:20 +0100
              Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-09 17:50 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-09 18:20 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-09 21:20 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-10 12:00 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-10 17:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-10 20:40 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-10 21:30 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-10 23:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-11 00:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-11 00:50 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-11 12:30 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-11 13:40 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-11 14:40 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-10 21:50 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2017-12-11 13:00 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-11 13:40 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-11 16:30 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-10 23:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-11 01:30 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-11 04:40 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-11 06:10 +0100
                Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-12-11 07:40 +0100
                Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) (was: Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-12-11 15:40 +0100
                Re: Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) (was: Re: Embarrassing  security bug in systemd) Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2017-12-11 16:00 +0100
                Re: Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) (was: Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-12-11 18:30 +0100
                Re: Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) (was: Re: Embarrassing  security bug in systemd) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-12-11 16:30 +0100
                Re: Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2017-12-11 17:40 +0100
                Re: Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-11 20:10 +0100
                Re: Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-12 09:30 +0100
                Re: Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2017-12-12 17:30 +0100
                Re: Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-12-12 17:50 +0100
                Re: Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-12-12 18:20 +0100
                Re: Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2017-12-13 04:40 +0100
                Re: Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) (was: Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-12-11 18:30 +0100
                Re: Rust? (and a wordsmithing question) (was: Re: Embarrassing  security bug in systemd) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-12 19:10 +0100
                UID 1000 on Raspberry Pi (Was: Re: Embarrassing security bug in  systemd) Jason <electron@emypeople.net> - 2018-01-09 05:10 +0100
                Re: UID 1000 on Raspberry Pi (Was: Re: Embarrassing security bug in  systemd) Christian Groessler <chris@groessler.org> - 2018-01-09 16:00 +0100
                Re: UID 1000 on Raspberry Pi (Was: Re: Embarrassing security bug in  systemd) Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-01-09 16:30 +0100
                Re: UID 1000 on Raspberry Pi (Was: Re: Embarrassing security bug in  systemd) Christian Groessler <chris@groessler.org> - 2018-01-09 18:10 +0100
                Re: UID 1000 on Raspberry Pi (Was: Re: Embarrassing security bug in  systemd) Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2018-01-10 04:50 +0100
          Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Menelaos Maglis <mmaglis@metacom.gr> - 2017-12-09 01:40 +0100
            Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2017-12-09 03:10 +0100
              Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-12-09 10:50 +0100
        Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2017-12-09 16:40 +0100
          Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> - 2017-12-09 17:10 +0100
            Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2017-12-09 22:10 +0100
          Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-09 18:20 +0100
  Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2017-12-07 00:00 +0100
    Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-12-07 09:40 +0100
  Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 00:10 +0100
  Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-12-07 00:10 +0100
    Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2017-12-07 03:50 +0100
  Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2017-12-07 00:20 +0100
    Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2017-12-07 00:50 +0100
      Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2017-12-07 01:20 +0100
        Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2017-12-07 03:50 +0100
      Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-07 02:10 +0100
        Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 03:40 +0100
          Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2017-12-07 08:30 +0100
    Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> - 2017-12-07 00:50 +0100
      Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 02:40 +0100
      Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Menelaos Maglis <mmaglis@metacom.gr> - 2017-12-08 10:40 +0100
        Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2017-12-08 13:40 +0100
          Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 20:10 +0100
  Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-12-07 01:10 +0100
  Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2017-12-07 08:30 +0100
  Re: Embarrassing security bug in systemd David Baron <dbaron770@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 08:50 +0100

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