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| From | Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.project |
| Subject | Re: Automatic downloading of non-free software by stuff in main |
| Date | 2017-12-01 18:30 +0100 |
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Adam Borowski writes ("Re: Automatic downloading of non-free software by stuff in main"):
> It looks like we two are in agreement that all non-free software is bad,
> even if we differ wrt how acceptable using it is. But we disagree about
> the reason _why_:
>
> * I say that the primary reason is that a person not blessed by the upstream
> has no way to fix problems. You can't debug Windows Update to see why
> your aunt's computer hangs during it. You can't print a cheat sheet of a
> GFDLed manual without the cover and invariant sections. To me, every
> part of DFSG (other than 4.) solves a real _practical_ problem.
>
> * the distributions you're talking about state this as a moral issue.
I don't see that this is a sensible distinction. But anyway, it
doesn't matter. People who use those downstreams are doing it because
they have decided that they agree with those downstreams' very zealous
objection to non-free software, including firmware etc.
I propose to help those users, and those downstream developers, by
doing some more of the work in Debian.
Ian.
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Re: Automatic downloading of non-free software by stuff in main Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2017-12-01 15:00 +0100
Re: Automatic downloading of non-free software by stuff in main Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2017-12-01 16:30 +0100
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Re: Automatic downloading of non-free software by stuff in main "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> - 2017-12-01 19:10 +0100
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