Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > linux.debian.project > #9556

Re: DISS project hosting (was: contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong)

Show all headers | View raw

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] - view raw

On 21-Oct-2017 Ben Finney Wrote:

>In its early days, can I convince you to move the project away from
>the proprietary GitHub silo?

Absolutely, and I see these as legitimate concerns. I had quite a hard
time getting things like GitHub webhooks to post to the channel and
I am not a fan of GitHub already. I posted to GitHub and SourceForge
just to get it out there and have a place to keep things. I have no
experience with these things and would prefer someone who did take
lead on this.

I am not familiar with any of these tools so I have no preference.
I was just trying to find a place to outline the ideas well enough to
allow people to wrap their minds around a vision I developed over 15
years of using and supporting Debian and seeing various issues.

As you can see the wiki isn't all that detailed just an attempt to break
things down so people can flesh out the specifics of an API.. and we
have no actual code yet this first week has just been publicizing the
idea, garnering support for development and noodling design ideas.

I'm totally open on everything right now the only things I'm somewhat firm
on is that this needs to be done, and that it should include components
that integrate directly into the OS, wrap our existing support resources
without people who already know how they work having to change the way
they do things, and that Python should be the language for development
simply because not only does it seem most well suited to the task for
making development go smoothly.

I can either take a similarly inexperienced crack at moving/recreating the
project elsewhere or someone can just take lead and create a new home
themselves and I can update the existing information pointing to the
new location. It really doesn't matter to me. I have little more than a
vision,
experience with using and supporting Debian, and a working but rather
inexperienced understanding of Python. I will either have to learn as I go
or will only be slowing the project down if I remain the leader of this
show.

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 10:46 PM, Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> wrote:

> On 21-Oct-2017, Katy Tolsen wrote:
> > I think the project I've started may be the answer to this as well
> > as many other support issues that plague our system.
>
> Thank you for starting this project.
>
> > However we need a lot of help to make this happen.
>
> Agreed.
>
> In its early days, can I convince you to move the project away from
> the proprietary GitHub silo? That will limit the participation from
> people who care about keeping their contributions on free platforms
> <URL:https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html>.
>
> There is currently a transition within the official Debian
> infrastructure for VCS hosting, so it's not *quite* feasible for me to
> point you to an “official” Debian VCS host.
>
> In the meantime, I would recommend using the free-software platforms
> Launchpad <URL:https://launchpad.net/> or a GitLab instance
> <URL:https://gitlab.debian.net/>, while it is easy to migrate the
> project away from a proprietary silo.
>
> > We really need help on this project especially from at least one
> > DM/DD to make it a reality. Right now we're just planning it all
> > out, and all input is welcome.
>
> I would love to contribute – I have the Python skills you discuss, and
> recognise the problem you're solving – once the project is on a
> free-software platform where I can in good conscience maintain an
> account.
>
> --
>  \      “What we usually pray to God is not that His will be done, but |
>   `\                       that He approve ours.” —Helga Bergold Gross |
> _o__)                                                                  |
> Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org>
>

Back to linux.debian.project | Previous | Next — Previous in thread | Next in thread | Find similar | Unroll thread

Thread

contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-03-21 05:10 +0100
  Re: contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong Ritesh Raj Sarraf <rrs@debian.org> - 2017-03-21 08:40 +0100
    Re: contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-03-21 09:40 +0100
      Re: contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong Zlatan Todoric <zlatan@riseup.net> - 2017-03-21 17:30 +0100
        Re: contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong alberto fuentes <pajaro@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 13:50 +0200
      Re: contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2017-03-21 17:50 +0100
        Re: contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong juliette Belin <juliettetaka.belin@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 18:00 +0100
      Re: contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong Ritesh Raj Sarraf <rrs@debian.org> - 2017-03-21 20:00 +0100
        Re: contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2017-03-21 22:20 +0100
          Re: contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-03-22 00:30 +0100
            Re: contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong Ritesh Raj Sarraf <rrs@debian.org> - 2017-03-22 11:30 +0100
        Re: contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-03-22 05:20 +0100
  Re: contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-03-21 21:00 +0100
    Re: contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-03-22 05:30 +0100
    Re: Re: contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong Katy Tolsen <2ndlifekaty@gmail.com> - 2017-10-22 02:30 +0200
      DISS project hosting (was: contacting Debian is too easy to get  wrong) Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-10-22 04:50 +0200
        Re: DISS project hosting (was: contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong) Katy Tolsen <2ndlifekaty@gmail.com> - 2017-10-22 16:50 +0200
          Re: DISS project hosting (was: contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong) Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2017-10-22 19:10 +0200
            Re: DISS project hosting (was: contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong) Katy Tolsen <2ndlifekaty@gmail.com> - 2017-10-22 19:30 +0200
        Re: DISS project hosting (was: contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong) Katy Tolsen <2ndlifekaty@gmail.com> - 2017-10-22 19:10 +0200
  Re: contacting Debian is too easy to get wrong Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2017-03-22 01:30 +0100

csiph-web