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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: Technology's role in a climate solution |
| Date | 2015-11-13 01:49 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <u5sfhc-775.ln1@mail.specsol.com> (permalink) |
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In sci.physics kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> wrote: > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 23:29:28 -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> wrote: >>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 21:40:20 -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 19:47:01 +0100, Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On 11/12/2015 05:09 PM, Ludwig Böhm wrote: >>>>>>> Poutnik wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Airliners have fuel efficiency about 2-3 L/seat/100km. >>>>>>>>>> ( Many people are not aware of the flying is more energy efficient >>>>>>>>>> than 1 person car driving ) >>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_economy_in_aircraft#Example_Values >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Has nothing to do with your litres. As I can see is about solar power. >>>>>>>>> Nowhere to use litres. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As rate of spent fuel volume is *closely* related to required solar >>>>>>>> power. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course not. Same way you may say is *closely* related to cubic meters >>>>>>> etc. A solar powered device or machine is NOT using litres anywhere in >>>>>>> their particular configuration. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>What does say the term equivalence to you ? >>>>>> >>>>>>1 Litre of kerosene contains roughly 40 MJ of chemical energy. >>>>>>Spending rate 1 L/s is equivalent to providing power about 40 MW. >>>>>> >>>>>>Any solar based solution with comparable power and efficiency >>>>>>of used engines hasa to provide equivalent power >>>>>>comparable to fuel rate. >>>>> >>>>> 40 MW is about 50,000 HP, >>>>> the most solar an airliner could collect >>>>> is about 40 KW. >>>>> >>>>> The power needed has confused >>>>> even engineers (I think), the atomic >>>>> powered bomber reactors were only >>>>> about 2 megawatt, the power of the >>>>> gasoline reciprocating engines on >>>>> the B-36 were about 3000 HP each, >>>>> or more than 2 megawatt, and the >>>>> B-36 had 6 or 8 of them, so how >>>>> could a B-36 be powered with >>>>> 2 megawatt reactors? >>>>> >>>> >>>>The reactor in the NB-36H was 3MW and did not power anything; it was >>>>just a test of shielding. >>>> >>>>The same goes for the Soviet Tu-119 program. >>>> >>>>No nuclear powered airplane has flown. >>> >>> My point was that 2 or 3 megawatt is not >>> enough power to propel a B-36 size aircraft >>> at 200 MPH, nowhere near enough. >> >>It isn't enough to do much more than taxi. >> >>> The R-4360 was well over 3000 HP, >>> that is 3000 * 746 watts, or 2,238,000 watts, >>> (2.238 megawatts each engine), and the >>> B-36 had 6 of those engines. >> >>Actually 3,800 HP. >> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgur50yMHwE >>> >>> http://www.pw.utc.com/R4360_Wasp_Major_Engine >>> >>> The jet engines probably produced about 4000 HP >>> each, so the 10 petroleum engines produced the equivalent >>> of about 30 megawatts. >> >>The jets produced about 6,000 lbf of thrust and were used for takeoff. >> >>> The plane was dog with that power, what would >>> it been like with 3 megawatts, which may have been >>> 3 megawatt thermal, I'm not sure if that even equates >>> to 4000 HP in practice, and it's probably certain the >>> plane was not planned to have more than one. >> >>Again, the reactor was there ONLY to test shielding. > > Testing to see if feasible as the propulsion power > for an unlimited range bomber. Testing to see if it was feasible to have a reactor in an airplane and have the crew survive. > The reactor itself was tested in Utah; > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_X-6 > > Again, either of those reactors was only about > the power of one of the 10 engines of the B-36, and > the X-6 was to use a B-36 airframe. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Nuclear_Propulsion > > >>> 3 Megawatts sounds like a lot, but many piston >>> engine airplanes had more equivalent power than that. >> >>And still do, but new engines over about 500 HP ( .37 MW) are these >>days turbines; the day of the huge radial has pasted. > > Not relevant to my point, the whole concept > was flawed because the plane would have needed > at least 20 MW to even get off the ground, the X-6 > was planned to be heavier than the B-36. > > I don't know how to account for such a large > difference between the test reactors and the power > needed to get the plane in the air. Because you keep overlooking the fact that the tests were to TEST SHIELDING and nothing more. -- Jim Pennino
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Re: Technology's role in a climate solution gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-11-06 17:56 -0600
Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 09:33 +0100
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Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 14:42 -0600
Re: Technology's role in a climate solution jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-07 21:17 +0000
Re: Technology's role in a climate solution jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-07 18:37 +0000
Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 14:12 -0600
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Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 14:43 -0600
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Re: Technology's role in a climate solution jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-07 18:37 +0000
Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 14:12 -0600
Re: Technology's role in a climate solution jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-07 20:20 +0000
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Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 17:56 +0100
Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Ludwig Böhm <ludwb@widespectrum.com> - 2015-11-11 23:58 +0000
Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 08:02 +0100
Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Ludwig Böhm <ludwb@widespectrum.com> - 2015-11-12 16:09 +0000
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Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Ludwig Böhm <ludwb@widespectrum.com> - 2015-11-12 19:58 +0000
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Re: Technology's role in a climate solution kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-12 22:35 -0500
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Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-07 12:43 -0500
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