Re: Technology's role in a climate solution

From	dvus <dven1@adelphia.net>
Newsgroups	sci.physics, alt.global-warming
Subject	Re: Technology's role in a climate solution
Date	2015-11-07 16:09 -0500
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On 11/6/2015 9:59 PM, Unum wrote:
> On 11/6/2015 8:37 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 20:02:04 -0600, Ringer wrote:
>>
>>> Wally W. wrote:
>>>> Cross-posting to alt.global-warming
>>>>
>>>> An eloquent and intelligent post.
>>>>
>>>> Sammy's link:
>>>>> http://thebulletin.org/technologys-role-climate-solution8815
>>>>
>>>> Beware, greenies, the cogent reply could make your head 'splode:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 13:26:12 -0800 (PST), Puppet_Sock wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 3:17:17 PM UTC-5, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>>> [give up, renounce, roll back, localize, shrink, do with less, crap
>>>>> snipped]
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be an interesting game to try to find some possible
>>>>> consequence, or set of consequences, that might conceivably
>>>>> follow from global warming, that might come within an order
>>>>> of magnitude of being as bad as the scheme described here.
>>>>>
>>>>> At a minimum, it would kill 3 of 4 people alive today. It
>>>>> could well be a significantly larger fraction. The changes
>>>>> they demand would put us back to a level where the population
>>>>> was less than one fourth of what it is now.
>>>>>
>>>>> At a minimum, it would result in the remaining wilderness
>>>>> being taken over for crop land. And quite possibly much of
>>>>> the less productive areas that have been ignored in the past.
>>>>> Such as relatively dry areas being irrigated, and rivers
>>>>> being emptied to do it. Thus entire river basins of ecological
>>>>> damage would be enforced. The changes they demand would mean
>>>>> that farming methods that now produce enough to feed 7 billion,
>>>>> on less land than was used to feed 1 billion when there were
>>>>> only 1 billion of us, would be dropped. Meaning we would need
>>>>> to farm correspondingly more farm land. No more swamps or
>>>>> forests or jungles allowed.
>>>>>
>>>>> At least, until enough people died of starvation and illness.
>>>>>
>>>>> At a minimum it would result in pretty much every species that
>>>>> is listed as endangered being driven to extinction. And quite
>>>>> rapidly. Because every possible source of calories and protein
>>>>> would be exploited by desperate people looking for something to
>>>>> eat.
>>>>>
>>>>> At a minimum it would drastically reduce the capability the
>>>>> human race has for innovation, science, and increased technology.
>>>>> Because starving sick people have no time for science. Nor for
>>>>> libraries or universities or any of the other places and ways
>>>>> we have found to do science.
>>>>>
>>>>> What are the worst scare stories the warmistas pummel us with?
>>>>>
>>>>> Rising sea level. More storms. More droughts. More malaria.
>>>>> Trivial. In comparison to the enforced slaughter, starvation,
>>>>> deprivation, and closing of possibilities that the warmistas
>>>>> are demanding, it appears to be luxury and opulence.
>>>>>
>>>>> The warmistas are not just wrong. They are festeringly evil.
>>>>> They are giggling malevolent monsters, perching and waiting
>>>>> to feast on the bodies of the people, by the billion, they
>>>>> hope to kill.
>>>
>>> Oh boy, and they call us "alarmists". Do you have any evidence,
>>> historical
>>> or otherwise, to back this up? Can you name any of these "warmist"
>>> who want
>>> to devastate the world, yet feel that they won't be effected by it?
>>>
>>
>> https://www.intellihub.com/united-nations-climate-czar-reveals-depopulation-plan-for-humanity/
>>
>> we can definitely change those numbers and really should make every
>> effort to change the numbers because we are already today, exceeding
>> the planetary carrying capacity.
>>
>> <http://www.axiomatica.org/revealing-the-matrix/eugenicsdepopulation>
>> the environmentalist movement has been hijacked by neo-Malthusians who
>> want to depopulate the planet in the name of saving the environment.
>> The pseudo-science of global warming has replaced the pseudo-science
>> of eugenics as the justification for population reduction.
>>
>> <http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/12/vatican-speaker-on-climate-thinks-there-are-6-billion-too-many-of-us/>
>>
>>   “In a very cynical way, it’s a triumph for science because at last we
>> have stabilized something –- namely the estimates for the carrying
>> capacity of the planet, namely below 1 billion people.”
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
>> Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
>>
>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/maintain
>> maintain
>> : to cause (something) to exist or continue without changing
>>
>> Question: by what means should the population be *maintained* should
>> it go "too high?"

And who decides which of us should stay and which should "go"? Perhaps 
all those who suggest the population must be culled ought to be the 
first to give up their lives to prove the sincerity of their ideals.

>> <http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/12/03/depopulation-of-the-masses-has-begun/>
>>
>> There is a single theme behind all our work–we must reduce population
>> levels. Either governments do it our way, through nice clean methods,
>> or they will get the kinds of mess that we have in El Salvador, or in
>> Iran or in Beirut. Population is a political problem. Once population
>> is out of control, it requires authoritarian government, even fascism,
>> to reduce it….”
>>
>>
>> Is that enough evidence for you?
>
> People who are discussing the carrying capacity of the planet. Oh Noes!
>
> Hilarious! The nutjob couldn't find a single thing about;
> "festeringly evil. They are giggling malevolent monsters, perching
> and waiting to feast on the bodies of the people, by the billion, they
> hope to kill"
>

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Technology's role in a climate solution Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 14:17 -0600
  Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Puppet_Sock <puppet_sock@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-06 13:26 -0800
    Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-06 22:28 +0000
      Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-06 22:31 +0000
      Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-06 17:55 -0500
        Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-06 23:07 +0000
          Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-06 18:09 -0500
    Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-06 18:16 -0500
      Re: Technology's role in a climate solution jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-07 00:57 +0000
    Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-06 19:44 -0500
      Re: Technology's role in a climate solution "Ringer" <byoung@peoplestel.net> - 2015-11-06 20:02 -0600
        Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-06 21:37 -0500
          Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-11-06 20:59 -0600
            Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-06 22:03 -0500
              Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-11-06 23:20 -0600
                Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-07 00:56 -0500
                Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-11-07 10:46 -0600
                Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-07 18:17 -0500
                Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-11-08 19:06 -0600
            Re: Technology's role in a climate solution dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-07 16:09 -0500
      Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Trawley Trash <trash@invalid.invalid> - 2015-11-07 05:42 -0800
  Re: Technology's role in a climate solution gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-11-06 17:56 -0600
    Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 09:33 +0100
      Re: Technology's role in a climate solution gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-11-07 10:22 -0600
  Re: Technology's role in a climate solution jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-07 00:58 +0000
  Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 22:27 -0600
    Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-06 23:40 -0500
      Re: Technology's role in a climate solution benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 00:20 -0500
      Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-07 01:00 -0500
        Re: Technology's role in a climate solution jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-07 07:10 +0000
          Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 08:23 -0600
            Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-07 10:31 -0500
              Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 10:00 -0600
                Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-07 11:16 -0500
                Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 10:21 -0600
                Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-07 11:29 -0500
                Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 10:35 -0600
                Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-07 11:48 -0500
                Re: Technology's role in a climate solution jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-07 18:39 +0000
                Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 14:11 -0600
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                Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 14:12 -0600
                Re: Technology's role in a climate solution jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-07 20:19 +0000
                Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 14:43 -0600
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              Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 14:12 -0600
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              Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Ludwig Böhm <ludwb@widespectrum.com> - 2015-11-11 23:58 +0000
                Re: Technology's role in a climate solution Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 08:02 +0100
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