Skynet 2029

From	Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org>
Newsgroups	ger.ct
Subject	Skynet 2029
Date	2023-01-25 19:31 +0000
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/25/advanced-ai-could-kill-everyone-warn-oxford-researchers/

Advanced artificial intelligence (AI) could “kill everyone” and should be
regulated like nuclear weapons, experts have warned. 

Superhuman algorithms that outperform mankind are on the way and may
present just as much threat to humans as we posed to the dodo, researchers
from Oxford University told MPs at the Science and Technology Select
Committee. 

The committee heard how advanced AI could take control of its own
programming if it learned to achieve its goals in a different way than
originally intended.

Doctoral student Michael Cohen said: “With superhuman AI there is a
particular risk that is of a different sort of class, which is, well, it
could kill everyone. 

“If you imagine training a dog with treats it will learn to pick actions
that lead to it getting treats, but if the dog finds the treat cupboard it
can get the treats itself without doing what we wanted it to do.

“If you have something much smarter than us monomaniacally trying to get
this positive feedback, and it’s taken over the world to secure that, it
would direct as much energy as it could to securing its hold on that, and
that would leave us without any energy for ourselves.

Mr Cohen said it would be difficult to stop the process once the genie was
out of the bottle. 

“If you have something that’s much smarter than us across every domain it
would presumably avoid sending any red flags while we still could pull the
plug,” he added.

“If I was an AI trying to do some devious plot I would get my code copied
on some other machine that nobody knows anything about then it would be
harder to pull the plug.”

‘No limits to how far AI could advance’

Experts warned that the development of AI had become a “literal arms race”
with countries and technology companies competing to create dangerously
advanced machine learning algorithms to gain military and civilian
advantage. 

They called for global regulation to prevent companies creating
out-of-control systems which may start out eliminating the competition, but
could end up “eliminating the whole human race” and warned there were no
limits to how far AI could advance.

Michael Osborne, professor of machine learning at the University of Oxford,
said: “I think the bleak scenario is realistic because AI is attempting to
bottle what makes humans special, that has led to humans completely
changing the face of the Earth.

“So if we’re able to capture that in technology then of course it’s going
to pose just as much risk to us as we have posed to other species, the dodo
is one example. 

“I think we’re in a massive AI arms race, geopolitically with the US versus
China and among tech firms there seems to be this willingness to throw
safety and caution out the window and race as fast as possible to the most
advanced AI. 

“In civilian applications there are advantages to being the first to
develop a really sophisticated AI that might eliminate the competition in
some way and if the tech that is developed doesn’t stop at eliminating the
competition and perhaps eliminates all human life, we would be really
worried.

“Artificial systems could become as good at outfoxing us geopolitically as
they are in the simple environments as games.”

Prof Osborne said he was hoping that countries across the globe would
recognise the “existential threat” from advanced AI and come together to
bring in treaties that would prevent the development of dangerous systems. 

“There are some reasons for hope in that we have been pretty good at
regulating the use of nuclear weapons,” he added. 

‘AI is as comparable a danger as nuclear weapons’

“If we were able to gain an understanding that advanced AI is as comparable
a danger as nuclear weapons, then perhaps we could arrive at similar
frameworks for governing it.”

MPs were told that in some areas, such as driverless cars, AI had not made
as much progress as expected, but in others, such as generating text, it
was far further ahead than anyone had anticipated.

Experts said that programmers had only “scratched the surface” of what AI
was capable of achieving, and predicted that many tedious administration
jobs and repetitive tasks would soon become automated.

However, they said it was unlikely that creative fields involving
leadership, mentoring or persuasion would ever be replaced by AI. 

Experts said that it was reasonable to expect that by the end of the
century an AI capable of doing far more than any human could would be
created and they called for a ban on dangerous algorithms.


Das sehe ich absolut genau so. Mittlerweile läuft es wirklich mit der KI.


-- 
please forgive my iPhone typos

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Skynet 2029 Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-25 19:31 +0000
  Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-25 21:31 +0100
  Re: Skynet 2029 Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2023-01-25 22:48 +0100
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                Re: Skynet 2029 Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2023-01-27 08:37 +0000
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    Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-26 06:39 +0100
      Re: Skynet 2029 Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2023-01-26 06:45 +0100
        Re: Skynet 2029 Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-26 05:53 +0000
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              Re: Skynet 2029 Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2023-01-26 10:45 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-26 11:23 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2023-01-26 11:28 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-26 11:36 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-26 11:39 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2023-01-26 11:46 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-26 12:02 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2023-01-26 12:12 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-26 12:19 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2023-01-26 12:50 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2023-01-26 12:59 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2023-01-26 04:10 -0800
                Re: Skynet 2029 Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2023-01-26 13:24 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2023-01-26 13:58 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2023-01-26 12:22 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2023-01-26 12:56 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2023-01-26 12:04 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-26 12:07 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2023-01-26 14:22 +0000
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-26 15:32 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-26 15:36 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-26 15:43 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-26 15:45 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-26 15:47 +0100
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                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-27 08:48 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2023-01-29 11:53 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-29 12:00 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2023-01-29 12:50 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Gerald Gruner <gerald314@yahoo.de> - 2023-01-29 21:28 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2023-01-29 11:50 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-29 11:52 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2023-01-26 15:47 +0000
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-27 08:52 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2023-01-27 12:32 +0000
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-27 15:03 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2023-01-27 15:41 +0000
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-27 16:56 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2023-01-27 17:19 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2023-01-27 16:52 +0000
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-27 18:13 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2023-01-27 18:24 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2023-01-27 21:09 +0000
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-27 23:01 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2023-01-28 09:41 +0000
                Re: Skynet 2029 Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2023-01-28 01:50 -0800
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-28 12:00 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2023-01-28 13:22 +0000
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-28 14:53 +0000
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-29 11:51 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-27 18:13 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2023-01-27 19:23 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Martin Ebert <mx300@gmx.net> - 2023-01-30 21:16 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-30 20:26 +0000
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-31 05:12 +0000
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-31 13:08 +0000
                Re: Skynet 2029 Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2023-01-31 14:19 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2023-01-31 14:55 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2023-02-01 10:03 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2023-02-01 10:56 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Martin Ebert <mx300@gmx.net> - 2023-01-31 22:16 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-31 22:51 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2023-01-30 21:37 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-30 20:46 +0000
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-30 22:08 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2023-01-31 06:41 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-27 23:04 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2023-01-26 15:54 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2023-01-26 15:43 +0000
                Re: Skynet 2029 Martin Ebert <mx300@gmx.net> - 2023-01-26 17:58 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Frank Nitzschner <nospam@nitzschner.de> - 2023-01-27 18:36 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2023-01-26 14:14 +0000
      Sprachverständnis als Basis der KI-Entwicklung Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-26 08:37 +0100
        Re: Sprachverständnis als Basis der KI-Entwicklung Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-26 08:44 +0100
        Re: Sprachverständnis als Basis der KI-Entwicklung Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-26 09:06 +0100
          Re: Sprachverständnis als Basis der KI-Entwicklung Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-26 09:11 +0100
            Re: Sprachverständnis als Basis der KI-Entwicklung Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-26 09:17 +0100
              Re: Sprachverständnis als Basis der KI-Entwicklung Re: Skynet 2029 Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2023-01-26 09:22 +0100
                Re: Sprachverständnis als Basis der KI-Entwicklung Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-26 09:32 +0100
                Re: Sprachverständnis als Basis der KI-Entwicklung Re: Skynet 2029 Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2023-01-26 14:25 +0000
                Re: Sprachverständnis als Basis der KI-Entwicklung Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-26 15:34 +0100
                Re: Sprachverständnis als Basis der KI-Entwicklung Re: Skynet 2029 Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2023-01-26 15:49 +0000
                Re: Sprachverständnis als Basis der KI-Entwicklung Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-27 08:53 +0100
                Re: Sprachverständnis als Basis der KI-Entwicklung Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-27 09:32 +0100
                Re: Sprachverständnis als Basis der KI-Entwicklung Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-27 09:55 +0100
                Re: Sprachverständnis als Basis der KI-Entwicklung Re: Skynet 2029 Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2023-01-27 12:38 +0000
                Re: Sprachverständnis als Basis der KI-Entwicklung Re: Skynet 2029 Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2023-01-26 11:18 +0100
                Re: Sprachverständnis als Basis der KI-Entwicklung Re: Skynet 2029 Karl Müller <mtb23@gmx.de> - 2023-01-26 10:24 +0000
            Re: Sprachverständnis als Basis der KI-Entwicklung Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-26 09:31 +0100
      Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-26 08:49 +0100
        Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-26 09:07 +0100
          Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-26 09:26 +0100
            Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-26 09:31 +0100
              Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-26 09:43 +0100
      Re: Skynet 2029 Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2023-01-26 09:09 +0100
        Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-26 09:24 +0100
          Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-26 09:27 +0100
          Re: Skynet 2029 Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2023-01-26 09:28 +0100
            Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-26 09:41 +0100
              Re: Skynet 2029 Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2023-01-26 09:43 +0100
          Re: Skynet 2029 Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2023-01-26 11:36 +0100
      Re: Skynet 2029 Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2023-01-26 10:36 +0100
        Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-26 10:50 +0100
          Re: Skynet 2029 Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2023-01-26 11:05 +0100
          Re: Skynet 2029 Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2023-01-26 11:06 +0100
          Re: Skynet 2029 Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2023-01-26 02:06 -0800
          Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-26 11:28 +0100
          Re: Skynet 2029 Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2023-01-26 14:37 +0000
            Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-26 15:43 +0100
              Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-26 15:45 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-26 15:50 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-26 16:19 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-27 09:03 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2023-01-29 11:55 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-29 12:00 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-27 09:01 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2023-01-26 16:06 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-27 09:08 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2023-01-27 00:30 -0800
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-27 10:02 +0100
                Re: Skynet 2029 Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2023-01-27 12:46 +0000
                Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-27 15:06 +0100
              Re: Skynet 2029 Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2023-01-26 15:57 +0000
            Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-26 15:58 +0100
              Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-27 09:10 +0100
  Re: Skynet 2029 "F. W." <me@home.com> - 2023-01-26 07:31 +0100
    Re: Skynet 2029 Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2023-01-26 07:38 +0100
      Re: Skynet 2029 "F. W." <me@home.com> - 2023-01-26 07:43 +0100
        Re: Skynet 2029 Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2023-01-26 07:48 +0100
          Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-26 08:16 +0100
            Re: Skynet 2029 Martin Ebert <mx300@gmx.net> - 2023-01-26 18:18 +0100
            Re: Skynet 2029 Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2023-01-26 18:40 +0100
          Re: Skynet 2029 "F. W." <me@home.com> - 2023-01-26 08:33 +0100
        Re: Skynet 2029 Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2023-01-26 08:14 +0100
          Re: Skynet 2029 "F. W." <me@home.com> - 2023-01-26 08:37 +0100
            Re: Skynet 2029 Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2023-01-26 09:19 +0100
        Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-26 08:20 +0100
          Re: Skynet 2029 Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2023-01-25 23:40 -0800
          Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-26 09:10 +0100
            Re: Skynet 2029 "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2023-01-26 09:25 +0100
              Re: Skynet 2029 Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2023-01-26 09:34 +0100
              Re: Skynet 2029 Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2023-01-26 11:19 +0100

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