Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not

From	Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not
Date	2017-03-17 20:20 +0100
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On Fri 17 Mar 2017 at 10:46:57 -0500, David Wright wrote:

> On Thu 16 Mar 2017 at 20:08:16 (+0000), Brian wrote:
> > 
> > There was never had any reason to disagree with the analysis. The
> > queries starting this subthread
> > 
> >  > Is it just me, or are the "unofficial" images hard to get to?
> > 
> > have the answers "no" and "yes". However, the routes to the images are
> > varied and guessing which one a user takes to get there isn't fruitful.
> 
> The routes exist and don't need to be guessed. The reason that a
> particular group of users follows a route is what has to be guessed.

Apropos nothing. Columbus knew exactly where he was going and why. He
just didn't get there. The exact route he took didn't exist (or maybe
philosohically it did but hadn't been travelled). But it was planned
using the Google documentation of the time. Perhaps prospective
Debian users could plan their journey into the unknown in the same way.

Point taken, though. Web page design requires the author to put herself
(or try to) in the position of a typical user.

A good place to mention the firmware netinst ISO would be the Debian
front page instead of 4 or more layers down. Depends on how much of a
problem it is seen to be. Don't hold your breath waiting for a change;
there are other factors.

> For every selection made/link clicked etc, the user had an intention.
> That intention has to be guessed by the web designer/programmer etc.
> Few designers actually experience a stream of tyros sitting down to
> use their design, and give them reasons.
> 
> Similarly, documentation authors must have in-depth knowledge of
> their subject, but also have the ability to read the mind of the
> ignorant reader.

A decent technique which can be fruitful with documentation writing is
to read what you have written a year later. If you still understand it
and can easily follow any instructions it could stand the test of time.

-- 
Brian.

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Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi,  debian does not Dean Valentine <deanvalentine@lhsla.org> - 2017-03-15 06:20 +0100
  Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi,  debian does not Johann Spies <johann.spies@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 07:00 +0100
    Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi,  debian does not Tim Ye <tim.ye0@aliyun.com> - 2017-03-15 10:10 +0100
      Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi,  debian does not Davor Balder <davor@cropakglobal.com> - 2017-03-15 10:30 +0100
      Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi,  debian does not Dean Valentine <deanvalentine@lhsla.org> - 2017-03-15 16:10 +0100
        Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi,  debian does not Pete Orrall <pete@cs1x.com> - 2017-03-15 16:50 +0100
          Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi,  debian does not Dean Valentine <deanvalentine@lhsla.org> - 2017-03-16 05:30 +0100
            Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi,  debian does not Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-03-16 15:10 +0100
        Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi,  debian does not Peter Hillier-Brook <phb@hbsys.plus.com> - 2017-03-15 17:10 +0100
          Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi,  debian does not Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 18:30 +0100
            Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi,  debian does not Pete Orrall <pete@cs1x.com> - 2017-03-15 19:50 +0100
              Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi,  debian does not Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-03-15 20:30 +0100
                Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi,  debian does not Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 21:30 +0100
            Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu,  Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-03-15 19:50 +0100
              Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu,  Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-03-15 21:30 +0100
                Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu,  Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-03-16 02:30 +0100
                Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu,  Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2017-03-16 16:20 +0100
                Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu,  Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not GiaThnYgeia <GiaThnYgeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-03-16 04:30 +0100
                Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu,  Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-03-16 12:50 +0100
                Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu,  Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not GiaThnYgeia <GiaThnYgeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-03-16 14:00 +0100
                Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu,  Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-03-16 14:10 +0100
                Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu,  Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-03-16 18:10 +0100
                Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu,  Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-03-16 21:30 +0100
                Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu,  Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-03-17 17:00 +0100
                Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu,  Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-03-17 20:20 +0100
                Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu,  Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not cbannister@slingshot.co.nz - 2017-04-01 15:00 +0200
                Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu,  Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-04-01 15:40 +0200
                Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu,  Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-01 21:50 +0200
                Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 18:10 +0100
                Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu,  Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-03-17 21:40 +0100
        Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi,  debian does not Davor Balder <davor@cropakglobal.com> - 2017-03-16 04:20 +0100
          Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi,  debian does not Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2017-03-16 04:30 +0100
            Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi,  debian does not David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-03-16 04:40 +0100
              Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi,  debian does not Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> - 2017-03-16 14:50 +0100
  Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi,  debian does not Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 07:50 +0100
    Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi,  debian does not Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 21:00 +0200
      Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 21:30 +0200

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