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Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference"

From Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c, comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference"
Date 2022-09-11 17:55 +0200
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Am 11.09.2022 um 17:44 schrieb Muttley@dastardlyhq.com:

>> That all isn't a problem in the kernel if you know what you do.
>> Kernel-Programmers are very skilled and the should be able to
>> handle that, but it's not up to their mindset.

> Its nothing to do with their mindset, its to do with knowing EXACTLY what the
> code is going to do and/or where the program counter is going to go. There
> is nothing to fall back on to tidy up any fuckups and no C++ runtime to hold
> your hand.

If you know C++ it's easy to understand what's happening behind the
scenes. Your problem is that you don't understand the language.

> You could in theory do a lot of things. Whether the time and effort and extra
> bloat would be worth it is another matter. Also the STL throws exceptions and
> does hidden conversions.

There's nothing boatish with STL.
STL does things you'd otherwise do manually.

> Oh yes they would. The kernel already has its own type of exceptions and
> has to deal with low level interrupts. ...

I don't have interrupts in mind when I talk about exceptions.
And in interrupts you won't allocate resources so it's not
necessary to throw excpetions within them.

> The last thing the code needs is C++ exceptions where something gets
> thrown and the program counter ends up god knows where because someone
> forgot to do a catch 5 levels up.

Exceptions need some documentation, but thats easier than manual
return code handling.

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"Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-09-09 12:49 -0500
  Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-09-09 19:03 +0000
  Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2022-09-09 12:54 -0700
    Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2022-09-09 20:06 +0000
      Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2022-09-10 02:00 +0000
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        Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-09-11 06:31 -0700
          Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2022-09-13 02:19 +0000
    Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-09-09 13:10 -0700
    Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-09-09 20:11 +0000
      Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2022-09-09 16:34 -0700
  Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-09-10 18:16 +0200
    Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-09-10 17:04 +0000
      Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-09-11 08:29 +0000
      Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2022-09-24 16:24 +0200
        C++ is for real, C is just a toy (Was: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference") gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2022-09-24 15:54 +0000
          Re: C++ is for real, C is just a toy (Was: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference") Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-09-24 18:07 +0200
    Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-09-11 08:29 +0000
      Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-09-11 11:16 +0200
        Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-09-11 09:44 +0000
          Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-09-11 13:42 +0200
            Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-09-11 15:44 +0000
              Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-09-11 17:55 +0200
                Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-09-11 16:17 +0000
                Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-09-11 18:22 +0200
                Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-09-11 12:41 -0700
                Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-09-12 06:10 +0200
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              Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2022-09-12 09:18 +0200
                Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-09-12 09:42 +0200
                Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-09-12 15:58 +0000
                Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-09-12 18:48 +0200
              Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2022-09-13 06:47 +0000
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                Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-09-14 09:37 +0000
        Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-09-11 16:26 +0000
          Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-09-11 18:35 +0200
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          Re: "Richard Stallman Announces C Reference" legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2022-09-22 19:24 +0000
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