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Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++

From Cholo Lennon <chololennon@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++
Date 2022-07-20 20:20 -0300
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On 7/20/22 8:04 PM, Chris Vine wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 18:49:54 -0300
> Cholo Lennon <chololennon@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 7/20/22 18:38, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 20:38:26 UTC+1, Cholo Lennon wrote:
>>>> On 7/20/22 5:29 AM, Mut...@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 23:08:04 -0300
>>>>> Cholo Lennon <cholo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Carbon, the latest programming language to be built within Google, was
>>>>>> unveiled today as an experimental successor to C++...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://9to5google.com/2022/07/19/carbon-programming-language-google-cpp/
>>>>>
>>>>> IOW they've realised no one outside Google gives a damn about Go so they're
>>>>> trying again. The only language that has a chance of replacing C is Rust but
>>>>> apparently its object model is a bit limited so no idea if it could replace C++
>>>>> yet.
>>>>>
>>>> I thought the same, that Rust could be the replacement for C/C++. I like
>>>> Rust, but I am not an expert on it to have a strong opinion, especially
>>>> about the integration with C/C++. Here the explanation "why not Rust"
>>>> from them:
>>>>
>>> What would be telling is if language designers promised "a new Rust" rather
>>> than "a new C++".
>>
>> Well, given the Carbon syntax is closer to Rust than C++, yes, for sure
>> it is a better motto for the language.
> 
> You may have a better reading of the documentation and knowledge of
> carbon than me,

No, I have just learned about Carbon yesterday.

> but my reading of it is that that motto would be
> incorrect.  From what I have read, carbon is designed for easy C++
> interoperability via its FFI.  Rust is not.
> 
> The carbon FAQ explicitly claims it is not "a new Rust".  The FAQ says
> "In fact, if you can use Rust or any other established programming
> language, you should.  Carbon is for organizations and projects that
> heavily depend on C++; for example, projects that have a lot of C++
> code or use many third-party C++ libraries."

Yes, for sure, you're right, according to that FAQs it is not a new Rust 
(I just associated Carbon to Rust because of the syntax. As a C++ 
successor I would like a syntax closer to it instead of Rust)

> 
> Those with agendas or personal attachments on this newsgroup will have
> their agendas or personal attachments.  My guess, and it is no more than
> that, is that over the next 20 years Rust will eat C++'s lunch and that
> Carbon, which really does set out to be a "better C++", will not.  But
> it is a guess.
> 

--
Cholo Lennon
Bs.As.
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"Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" Cholo Lennon <chololennon@hotmail.com> - 2022-07-19 23:08 -0300
  Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-07-20 08:29 +0000
    Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ Cholo Lennon <chololennon@hotmail.com> - 2022-07-20 16:38 -0300
      Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2022-07-20 14:38 -0700
        Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ Cholo Lennon <chololennon@hotmail.com> - 2022-07-20 18:49 -0300
          Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> - 2022-07-21 00:04 +0100
            Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ Cholo Lennon <chololennon@hotmail.com> - 2022-07-20 20:20 -0300
  Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2022-07-20 09:49 +0000
    Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" Cholo Lennon <chololennon@hotmail.com> - 2022-07-20 16:50 -0300
    Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-07-20 14:38 -0700
    Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2022-07-21 01:29 +0200
      Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> - 2022-07-21 01:06 +0100
        Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-07-21 16:01 +0200
          Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-07-21 15:01 +0000
            Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ "gdo...@gmail.com" <gdotone@gmail.com> - 2022-07-21 08:45 -0700
              Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2022-07-22 06:56 +0000
                Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-07-22 10:13 +0200
            Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-07-21 18:52 +0200
              Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ "gdo...@gmail.com" <gdotone@gmail.com> - 2022-07-21 12:42 -0700
                Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-07-21 12:45 -0700
              Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2022-07-22 07:03 +0000
                Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2022-07-22 09:44 +0200
                Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2022-07-22 01:20 -0700
                Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-07-22 08:38 +0000
                Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2022-07-22 10:39 +0200
                Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2022-07-22 02:13 -0700
                Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2022-07-22 09:49 +0000
                Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-22 05:05 -0700
                Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-22 13:07 +0000
                Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2022-07-24 07:38 +0000
                Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2022-07-24 12:15 +0200
              Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-07-22 08:26 +0000
            Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-07-21 12:39 -0700
              Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-07-22 08:36 +0000
  Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-21 13:17 -0700
  Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-07-22 09:07 +0200
    Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-22 04:58 -0700
  Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-07-24 19:36 +0200
    Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2022-07-24 22:23 +0200
      Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2022-07-25 05:44 +0000
      Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" Andreas Kempe <kempe@lysator.liu.se> - 2022-08-11 17:38 +0000
        Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-08-11 12:06 -0700
          Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" Andreas Kempe <kempe@lysator.liu.se> - 2022-08-12 10:54 +0000
        Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2022-08-11 23:09 +0300
        Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2022-08-12 14:52 +0200
          Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" Andreas Kempe <kempe@lysator.liu.se> - 2022-08-12 16:25 +0000
    Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-24 13:26 -0700
  Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" Cholo Lennon <chololennon@hotmail.com> - 2022-07-25 15:02 -0300
    Re: "Carbon, a new programming language from Google, aims to be C++ successor" "gdo...@gmail.com" <gdotone@gmail.com> - 2022-07-26 20:04 -0700

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