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Re: H(P,P) == false is correct

From olcott <polcott2@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.theory, comp.ai.philosophy, sci.logic, sci.math
Subject Re: H(P,P) == false is correct
Followup-To comp.theory
Date 2022-05-04 14:27 -0500
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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On 5/4/2022 9:16 AM, Ben wrote:
> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> On 5/2/2022 6:10 PM, Ben wrote:
>>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 5/2/2022 11:39 AM, Ben wrote:
>>>>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It is clear that the input to H(P,P) specifies infinitely nested
>>>>>> simulation to H.
>>>>> What two pointers must be passed to H for H to tell up about the halting
>>>>> of P(P)?  If H can't report on the halting of the computation P(P) it is
>>>>> not a halt decider, and you have already told use that H(P,P) == false
>>>>> and that P(P) halts.
>>>>
>>>> If H can report on the halting of non-input P(P) then it is not a
>>>> decider because deciders only compute the mapping from inputs to final
>>>> states.
>>> TM deciders compute mappings from inputs to final states /according to
>>> some property of the inputs/
>>
>> That par is exactly correct.
>>
>>> -- whether the input represents, for
>>
>> That part has been the key error of everyone in that they all believe
>> that is can represent something other than what it actually specifies.
> 
> So now, after thinking otherwise for years, you claim that there is no
> way to even specify the computation P(P) for you pseudo-C halt decider
> H.  At least that is a clear admission that the halting of function
> calls like P(P) can not be decided because, apparently, passing P and P
> to H does not specify that computation, and you can't say what two
> arguments /would/ specify it.
> 
> A clear and unambiguous statement that no D such that D(X,Y) == true if
> and only if X(Y) halts and false otherwise is possible would be the
> honest way to move things on.  If you were clear about this, maybe
> someone will talk to you about whether it is that your H is deciding.
> 

I adapted my system so that I could empirically test this:
H1(P,P)==true is empirically proven to be correct
H(P,P)==false is empirically proven to be correct

Both deciders correctly report on the actual behavior of their actual 
input. This can be verified by carefully studying their execution trace.

>>> example, an even number, a prime number or a halting computation.
>>> According to you there is no "input" (in reality a pair of pointers)
>>> that represents the halting computation P(P).  Why should anyone care
>>> about this H if it does not decide what we want -- the halting of the
>>> function call represented by the two arguments to H?  Whatever H is
>>> actually deciding is not interesting.
>>
>> (a) H does correctly decide its input
> 
> But no one cares about that as it's not what we want a decider for.
> 
>> (b) H is only required to decide its input.
> 
> And it seems that you agree that no D such that D(X,Y) == true if and
> only if X(Y) halts and false otherwise is possible.  That's the D that
> the world cares about.
> 
>> (c) Therefore H(P,P) is entirely correct on the "impossible" input.
> 
> It decides some property of the pair of pointers P and P, but not the
> one people care about: the halting or otherwise of the function call
> P(P).
> 
>>> Also, I wonder why you wasted so much time justifying the fact that
>>> H(P,P) == false "even though P(P) halts" when H(P,P) is, apparently, not
>>> even supposed to be deciding the halting P(P).  Well, we know, of
>>> course.  You realised you were in a hole so you started to dig sideways.
>>> You used to know that H(X,Y) had to decide the halting of X(Y).  You're
>>> now pretending it never did!
> 
> Why /did/ you waste so much time trying to convince us that H(P,P) ==
> false was correct even though P(P) halted if you never intended H(P,P)
> to report on the halting of P(P)?
> 
>>>   You'd know this if you'd done even the warm-up exercises I set.
> 
> <snip the usual waffle>
> 
>>> How are they coming along?  It looks like you have found an excuse to
>>> bail out again:
>>
>> It is coming along great and it is wonderful fun.
> 
> It's good that it's fun, but it seems to be taking a long time.  I'd
> expect students to be able to write E and specify P "live" in a tutorial
> -- i.e. it would take a couple of minutes and we could the discuss more
> interesting examples.

I have had some serious health issues that could have killed me last week.

> 
> The specification of TM's is your stumbling block, so you could be doing
> that in parallel.

I like to go through all of the best steps in order. Having a machine to 
execute TM's is the first step.

(a) Deciding to get around to start this project took weeks when dealing 
with my other issues.

(b) No setting up the tedious syntax of reading a file of text lines 
took much longer than usual, I usually cut-and-paste.

(c) I studied enough of the
http://www.lns.mit.edu/~dsw/turing/turing.html
To realize it was a superb architecture yet an overly complex 
implementation.

Other people can read much faster than me, yet they lose a lot of 
meaning when they read this fast. I usually read something over and over 
until I have 100% complete understanding.

When I was reading the specs for how VISA changed their system so that I 
could adapt the bank's system to meet these changed specs I had to read 
the VISA material 17 times. I only had to read the Discover card changes 
three times.

> 
>> I think that it is a great idea to move in this direction.
>> I may eventually convert C copy of the TM into a RASP machine.
> 
> Do ever read what you write?  What is a "C copy of the TM"?  I think you
> mean the TM interpreter that you've decided to write so as to delay
> actually writing even a trivial TM.
> 

I am going to write a TM interpreter in C++. Sometime after I get done 
with this I may adapt it to becoming an RASP machine. I will keep the 
original TM interpreter and not simply overwrite it with the RASP 
machine. This requires that the changes must be to a copy of the TM 
interpreter.

-- 
Copyright 2022 Pete Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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  Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-02 11:18 -0500
    Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Ben <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-05-02 17:39 +0100
      Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-02 15:28 -0500
        Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Ben <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-05-03 00:10 +0100
          Re: H(P,P) == false is correct olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-03 21:07 -0500
            Re: H(P,P) == false is correct Ben <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-05-04 15:16 +0100
              Re: H(P,P) == false is correct olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-04 14:27 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct Ben <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-05-05 01:59 +0100
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-04 20:19 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct Ben <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-05-05 03:28 +0100
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ verified facts ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-04 21:55 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ verified facts ] Dennis Bush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2022-05-04 19:59 -0700
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ verified facts ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-04 22:09 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ verified facts ] André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2022-05-04 21:17 -0600
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                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ verified facts ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-05-05 22:43 -0400
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                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ verified facts ] André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2022-05-05 20:51 -0600
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ verified facts ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 14:07 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ verified facts ] André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2022-05-06 13:14 -0600
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ verified facts ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 14:29 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ verified facts ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-05-05 07:46 -0400
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ verified facts ] Ben <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-05-05 14:29 +0100
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ verified facts ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-05 17:12 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ verified facts ] Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-05-06 02:58 +0200
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ verified facts ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-05 20:01 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ verified facts ] Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-05-06 03:34 +0200
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ verified facts ] Ben <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-05-06 03:35 +0100
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ verified facts ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-05 21:57 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-05 22:29 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] Ben <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-05-06 12:36 +0100
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 11:33 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] Ben <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-05-07 02:57 +0100
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 21:22 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] Ben <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-05-08 00:01 +0100
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-05-07 18:45 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] Ben <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-05-08 00:59 +0100
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-07 12:31 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-05 23:48 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2022-05-05 23:01 -0600
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 00:12 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2022-05-06 07:36 -0600
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 10:32 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2022-05-06 09:43 -0600
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 11:45 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2022-05-06 11:01 -0600
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 13:03 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2022-05-06 12:18 -0600
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 13:50 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2022-05-06 13:05 -0600
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 14:19 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2022-05-06 13:23 -0600
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 14:34 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2022-05-06 13:37 -0600
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 14:48 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] Ben <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-05-07 00:47 +0100
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 18:59 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] Ben <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-05-07 03:04 +0100
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 21:26 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 23:03 -0500
                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ Simple TM Interpreter ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 00:55 -0500
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                Re: H(P,P) == false is correct [ verified facts ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 14:09 -0500
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                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-03 17:11 -0500
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          Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-03 13:06 -0500
            Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-05-04 10:19 +0300
              Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-04 12:57 -0500
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-05-04 18:53 -0400
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-05-05 12:37 +0300
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-05 12:52 -0500
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-05-06 12:23 +0300
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 14:14 -0500
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-05-07 11:42 +0300
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-07 11:16 -0500
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-05-08 11:21 +0300
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-05-09 10:41 -0500
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-05-09 19:45 +0300
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-05-09 12:11 -0500
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-05-09 19:21 -0400
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-05-10 10:34 +0300
          Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-03 13:13 -0500
            Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-05-03 21:58 -0400
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    Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc> - 2022-05-02 23:38 +0100
      Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-05-02 18:46 -0400
        Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc> - 2022-05-02 23:47 +0100
          Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-05-02 19:16 -0400
            Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc> - 2022-05-03 00:30 +0100
              Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-05-02 20:40 -0400
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc> - 2022-05-03 20:06 +0100
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-03 14:17 -0500
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-05-04 00:23 +0200
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Ben <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-05-04 12:24 +0100
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-05-03 21:54 -0400
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc> - 2022-05-04 17:40 +0100
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-04 12:46 -0500
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-05-04 19:23 -0400
          Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-02 19:35 -0500
            Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-05-02 20:48 -0400
              Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) wij wij <wyniijj2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-03 05:12 -0700
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-03 09:31 -0500
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Dennis Bush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2022-05-03 07:47 -0700
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-03 10:19 -0500
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Dennis Bush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2022-05-03 08:36 -0700
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-03 11:39 -0500
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Dennis Bush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2022-05-03 14:49 -0700
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-03 17:08 -0500
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Dennis Bush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2022-05-03 15:21 -0700
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-03 17:32 -0500
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-05-03 21:47 -0400
  Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-05-03 12:31 +0300
    Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-03 09:42 -0500
      Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-05-03 20:27 +0300
        Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-03 13:13 -0500
          Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-05-03 21:38 -0400
          Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-05-09 19:58 +0300
            Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-05-09 12:16 -0500
              Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-05-09 19:30 -0400
              Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) wij <wyniijj2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-10 08:40 -0700
      Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-05-03 21:41 -0400
    Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc> - 2022-05-03 19:26 +0100
      Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-05-04 10:31 +0300
        Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-04 13:09 -0500
          Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-05-08 11:09 +0300
            Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-05-09 10:39 -0500
              Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-05-09 19:48 +0300
                Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-05-09 12:12 -0500
  Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-05-05 12:19 +0300
    Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc> - 2022-05-05 17:54 +0100
      Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-05-05 22:56 -0400
      Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-05-06 11:50 +0300
    Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-05 12:46 -0500
      Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Ben <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-05-05 21:00 +0100
        Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-05 17:16 -0500
          Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) Ben <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-05-06 02:21 +0100
            Re: On recursion and infinite recursion (reprise) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-05-05 20:37 -0500
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