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Re: 5G map

From	sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
Newsgroups	misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android, alt.cellular
Subject	Re: 5G map
Date	2022-04-05 07:52 -0700
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 4/4/2022 7:38 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:

> That would go a long way to convince people you are an intelligent
> adult. I look forward to it.

Andy Burnelli/Arlen Holder/Dean Hoffman/more is wrong of course™.

We all hope that he can be educated and then convince people that he is
an intelligent adult. We are all looking forward to that eventuality.

The reality is that the choice of carrier matters a lot to most people.

In the early days of cellular too many people were naive about the
differences between carriers in terms of coverage and reliability and
often made their decision based solely on price and on what kind of free
or discounted phones the carrier was offering. Now consumers are wiser.
Many have experienced the big differences between carriers and are smart
enough to look at more than just price and free phones, and are less
likely to fall for false claims in marketing.

It's nice that the NAD has stepped in to try to get carriers to stop
false advertising, i.e.:
<https://www.phonearena.com/news/t-mobile-5g-home-internet-misleading-advertising_id139134>,
<https://bbbprograms.org/media-center/news/tmobile-most-reliable-5g-umlaut-claims>,
<https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/national-advertising-division-challenges-t-mobile-s-network-claims-siding-verizon>,
<https://www.nexttv.com/news/t-mobile-pulls-brady-stefani-ads>.

As we all know, the three U.S. networks were not created equal. AT&T and
Verizon, the two top-tier networks, evolved from legacy networks and
built out large networks, acquiring smaller regional and rural carriers
along the way. T-Mobile, the second tier network, was a PCS (1900 MHz
only) network with mainly urban coverage. AT&T and Verizon have
leveraged their coverage advantage of being in the game early before
cities and counties began regulating the placement of cell towers.

All three networks work acceptably in flat urban areas. While no carrier
has 100% geographic coverage if you plan to travel to more remote areas,
like National and State Parks, or if you’re going to drive through rural
areas, or if you’re visiting the outskirts of urban areas (often called
the “greenbelt” or “exurban”), then you’ll want the coverage of AT&T or
Verizon.

A PC Magazine article from 2021
<https://www.pcmag.com/news/fastest-mobile-networks-2021> summed it up
well: "And if you’re out in the countryside and don’t often head to the
city, T-Mobile might not be the best carrier for you. The carrier is
doing great in the nation’s biggest metro areas, but when we look at
small cities and areas away from interstate highways, especially in the
western US, it's clear that T-Mobile has to do more work to get better
coverage."

You can see the vast differences in nationwide coverage here:
<https://i.imgur.com/irqFqyP.png (data is from
https://www.fcc.gov/BroadbandData/MobileMaps/mobile-map>). While these
are 4G maps, based on cell tower locations, 5G is a subset of 4G
coverage (except in the case of mmWave 5G-only small cells intended for
home broadband (AT&T and Verizon are putting in networks of streetlight
powered 5G cells).

You can also use the interactive map at
<https://www.whistleout.com/CellPhones/Guides/Coverage>. These are the
maps for each networks’ native coverage, and you can distinguish between
4G and 5G with the check boxes. If you look solely at 5G coverage,
T-Mobile has much more 5G coverage than AT&T or Verizon. If you look at
4G+5G coverage, T-Mobile has much less total coverage than AT&T or Verizon.

As I like to say, "Data Not Dogma." Helping people make good decisions
about which carrier to choose is reliant on independent data, not
marketing blurbs from a carrier.

Andy Burnelli/Arlen Holder/Dean Hoffman/more can learn more by studying
the following documents:
1. Prepaid Phone Service for Foreign Visitors to the United States
<https://tinyurl.com/us-prepaid-foreign>.
2. Coverage Differences Between AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon
<https://tinyurl.com/ATVCoverageComparisons/>

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5G map Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2022-04-02 09:33 -0400
  Re: 5G map Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2022-04-02 18:53 +0000
    Re: 5G map badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2022-04-02 20:48 +0000
      Re: 5G map Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2022-04-02 21:06 +0000
      Re: 5G map badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2022-04-02 21:16 +0000
        Re: 5G map Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2022-04-02 17:44 -0400
          Re: 5G map ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2022-04-02 17:06 -0500
            Re: 5G map Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2022-04-03 15:13 +0000
          Re: 5G map Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2022-04-02 23:31 +0000
            Re: 5G map Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2022-04-03 11:51 -0400
        Re: 5G map Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-04-02 23:56 +0100
        Re: 5G map sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2022-04-04 09:55 -0700
          Re: 5G map nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-04-04 17:12 -0400
            Re: 5G map Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-04-05 00:56 +0100
          Re: 5G map Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-04-04 23:34 +0100
            Re: 5G map "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2022-04-04 23:04 +0000
              Re: 5G map Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-04-05 00:31 +0100
              Re: 5G map sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2022-04-04 17:00 -0700
                Re: 5G map nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-04-04 20:04 -0400
                Re: 5G map Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-04-05 01:19 +0100
                Re: 5G map Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-04-05 01:15 +0100
                Re: 5G map Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2022-04-04 17:20 -0700
                Re: 5G map sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2022-04-04 17:25 -0700
                Re: 5G map nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-04-04 20:26 -0400
                Re: 5G map Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-04-05 03:30 +0100
                Re: 5G map Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> - 2022-04-04 21:38 -0500
                Re: 5G map Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-04-05 04:12 +0100
                Re: 5G map sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2022-04-05 07:52 -0700
                Re: 5G map nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-04-05 11:38 -0400
                Re: 5G map Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-04-06 04:51 +0100
                Re: 5G map badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2022-04-06 10:10 +0000
                Re: 5G map Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-04-06 16:41 +0100
                Re: 5G map "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2022-04-06 16:49 +0000
                Re: 5G map sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2022-04-06 14:37 -0700
                Re: 5G map Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-04-06 23:50 +0100
                Re: 5G map nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-04-06 18:53 -0400
                Re: 5G map Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2022-04-07 18:19 +0000
                Re: 5G map RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2022-04-06 22:58 +0000
                Re: 5G map sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2022-04-06 16:43 -0700
                Re: 5G map nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-04-06 20:15 -0400
                Re: 5G map RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2022-04-07 00:48 +0000
                Re: 5G map nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-04-06 21:03 -0400
                Re: 5G map RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2022-04-07 03:44 +0000
                Re: 5G map nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-04-06 23:56 -0400
                Re: 5G map sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2022-04-07 06:28 -0700
                Re: 5G map nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-04-07 09:56 -0400
                Re: 5G map Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2022-04-07 22:53 +0000
                Re: 5G map Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2022-04-07 18:23 +0000
                Re: 5G map sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2022-04-06 19:14 -0700
                Re: 5G map RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2022-04-07 03:32 +0000
                Re: 5G map Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-04-06 02:56 +0100
                Re: 5G map Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> - 2022-04-05 21:50 -0500
                Re: 5G map sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2022-04-05 21:12 -0700
                Re: 5G map Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-04-06 16:41 +0100
                Re: 5G map Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2022-04-05 15:25 +0000
                Re: 5G map Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2022-04-05 15:22 +0000
                Re: 5G map Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-04-05 17:29 +0100
                Re: 5G map badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2022-04-05 17:33 +0000
                Re: 5G map sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2022-04-05 11:24 -0700
                Re: 5G map nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-04-05 15:35 -0400
                Re: 5G map Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-04-05 23:42 +0100
                Re: 5G map nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-04-05 15:35 -0400
                Re: 5G map Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-04-05 23:42 +0100
                Re: 5G map Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> - 2022-04-05 17:53 -0500
                Re: 5G map Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-04-05 23:43 +0100
                Re: 5G map Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2022-04-05 15:46 -0700
      Re: 5G map sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2022-04-02 22:05 -0700
        Re: 5G map nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-04-03 05:53 -0400
          Re: 5G map badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2022-04-03 11:57 +0000
            Re: 5G map nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-04-03 08:27 -0400
              Re: 5G map Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-04-03 14:44 +0100
            Re: 5G map sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2022-04-03 08:18 -0700
              Re: 5G map Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-04-03 16:35 +0100
              Re: 5G map Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2022-04-03 11:54 -0400
                Re: 5G map nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-04-03 12:39 -0400
              Re: 5G map nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-04-03 12:39 -0400

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