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Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION]

From Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION]
Date 2016-10-29 15:00 +0200
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	Hi.

On Sat, 29 Oct 2016 08:16:18 -0400
rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:

> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 05:17:30 AM Reco wrote:
> > On Fri, 28 Oct 2016 18:34:10 -0500
> > Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
> 
> > > But it gave no useful info!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > 
> > I dunno ;). Quoting the page, this:
> > 
> > Installing GRUB on the USB Stick
> > Install pmount, udevil or udisks2 and use one of the following commands
> > to mount the primary partition. The mount point for pmount
> > is /media/ARCHIVE. ...
> > 
> > pmount /dev/disk/by-label/ARCHIVE ARCHIVE
> > 
> > seems like a useful info to me about mounting certain USB stick to a
> > directory with pmount.
> 
> I'm not the OP or anybody that has participated in this thread so far.

[1] tells me otherwise, for the 'participation' part. I take it that
this e-mail I'm replying to is shared among several people, then?


> I'll say that the wiki page gave no hint as to which of the three options to 
> install, or any hint that one might work better than another.

The page is describing 'Producing an automated install of a Debian
operating system from a USB stick', to quote it. For such an advanced
task it can be safely assumed IMO that the person who's implementing the
instruction is familiar with the basic concepts of a 'file system' or
'mounting'.

It can be argued (again IMO) that the 3 tools proposed are not the best
ones available for the task, or downright redundant due to availability
of mount(8), but all three mentioned tools are in fact are links to [2].
Broken ones (for me at least), but they are links to manpages for the
mentioned tools. Surely a manpage can be viewed as a suitable source of
hints you're referring to.


>  Of course, 
> until this issue came up, no one may have expected one to work better than 
> another, so then someone reading that page could, quite appropriately, try one 
> and not the others, and assume that there was no more useful information on 
> the page.

I agree that the page provides unnecessary choice in this regard, and
for the sake of clarity of this topic [3] would be more appropriate.


> Someone with a more experimental nature might have tried all three, but, like 
> I hope I implied, why would anyone expect that to make a difference?

Different tools. Different programming languages to implement
them. Different dependencies for said tools. Surely all of them should
behave exact the same behavior (sarcasm implied).


> I guess maybe I'm doing the same thing some others seem to do--belaboring a 
> point that maybe shouldn't have even come up as issue.
> 
> If someone read the page and didn't find / recognize a key piece of information 
> on that page, maybe the page could use a revision.

I believe you're missing the point here. The page in question is not
supposed to provide information on mounting anything as a *key piece*
in the first place due to very nature of the topic the page describes.

But since such information is in there for some reason, and it's
covering *both* mounting and unmounting in a compact enough form - it
can be used as an example for mounting and unmounting also.


Reco

[1]
https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/201610260711.18646.rhkramer@gmail.com

[2] http://manpages.debian.org/

[3] https://wiki.debian.org/pmount

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Permissions for an entire PARTITION Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-10-25 17:40 +0200
  Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2016-10-25 17:50 +0200
    Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-10-25 18:10 +0200
    Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-10-25 18:40 +0200
      Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2016-10-25 18:50 +0200
        Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-10-28 17:30 +0200
          Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2016-10-28 17:50 +0200
          Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2016-10-28 21:40 +0200
            EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-10-28 22:50 +0200
              Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] "John L. Ries" <jries@salford-systems.com> - 2016-10-28 23:10 +0200
              Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-29 00:20 +0200
                Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-10-29 01:40 +0200
                Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 11:20 +0200
                Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-10-29 14:20 +0200
                Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 15:00 +0200
                Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-29 16:10 +0200
                Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 17:50 +0200
                Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-29 20:20 +0200
                Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 22:30 +0200
                Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-30 00:50 +0200
                Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-10-30 10:30 +0100
                Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-30 14:00 +0100
                Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-10-30 14:20 +0100
                Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-30 18:10 +0100
                Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-10-29 21:30 +0200
                Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-29 22:00 +0200
                Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-10-29 22:30 +0200
                Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-30 01:10 +0200
                Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-10-30 01:20 +0200
                Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-10-30 13:00 +0100
                Re: EUREKA!!!! - was [Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-10-31 02:30 +0100
          Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION Jochen Spieker <ml@well-adjusted.de> - 2016-10-29 15:30 +0200
      Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION Jochen Spieker <ml@well-adjusted.de> - 2016-10-25 19:40 +0200
      Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-10-26 10:20 +0200
        Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-10-26 13:20 +0200
          Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2016-10-26 14:30 +0200
            Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-10-26 14:50 +0200
            Re: Permissions for an entire PARTITION Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2016-10-27 07:50 +0200

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