Waffenlieferungen (was: Global Hawk)

From	"Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org>
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Subject	Waffenlieferungen (was: Global Hawk)
Date	2022-03-03 16:52 +0100
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Am 03.03.22 um 16:29 schrieb Frank Hucklenbroich:

> Nur Drohnen sehe ich in der Tat keine, ansonsten scheint man viel schweres
> Gerät nach Polen reinzubringen.


Die New York Times, das tapfere linksliberale Blatt, macht sich schon 
massiv Sorgen das alles könnte Putin nur reizen oder verärgern, wenn 20 
europäische Staaten in und ausserhalb der NATO  jetzt so viele Waffen in 
die Ukraine liefern.


"NATO Countries Pour Weapons Into Ukraine, Risking Conflict With Russia"

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/02/world/europe/nato-weapons-ukraine-russia.html

Offen gestanden, das glaube ich zum einen auch, daß ihn das massiv reizt 
und verärgert und zur Eskalation beitragen kann. Das ist nicht unriskant.

Aber es ist tatsächlich alternativlos. Sonst tanzt die ganze Welt nur 
noch nach der Pfeife des Diktators. "Das könnte Putin ärgern, und dies 
Lavrov, der könnte das mißverstehen, macht das bloß nicht!"

Es muß jetzt enden.

Und es ist riskant, aber es ist notwendig es zu tun. Sonst sind wir auf 
immer unsere Freiheit los.

Das scheinen aber so ziemlich alle Staaten nun gut verstanden zu haben 
bis auf RU, Syrien, Belarus und Nordkorea.

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BRUSSELS — The Dutch are sending rocket launchers for air defense. The 
Estonians are sending Javelin antitank missiles. The Poles and the 
Latvians are sending Stinger surface-to-air missiles. The Czechs are 
sending machine guns, sniper rifles, pistols and ammunition.

Even formerly neutral countries like Sweden and Finland are sending 
weapons. And Germany, long allergic to sending weapons into conflict 
zones, is sending Stingers as well as other shoulder-launched rockets.

In all, about 20 countries — most members of NATO and the European 
Union, but not all — are funneling arms into Ukraine to fight off 
Russian invaders and arm an insurgency, if the war comes to that.

At the same time, NATO is moving military equipment and as many as 
22,000 more troops into member states bordering Russia and Belarus, to 
reassure them and enhance deterrence.
The Russian invasion of Ukraine has brought European countries together, 
minds concentrated by the larger threat to European security presented 
by the Russia of President Vladimir V. Putin.

“European security and defense has evolved more in the last six days 
than in the last two decades,” Ursula von der Leyen, the president of 
the European Union’s executive arm, asserted in a speech to the European 
Parliament on Tuesday. Brussels has moved to “Europeanize” the efforts 
of member states to aid Ukraine with weapons and money and put down a 
marker for the bloc as a significant military actor.

But whether European weaponry will continue to reach the Ukrainian 
battlefield in time to make a difference is far from certain. However 
proud Brussels is of its effort, it is a strategy that risks encouraging 
a wider war and possible retaliation from Mr. Putin. The rush of lethal 
military aid into Ukraine from Poland, a member of NATO, aims, after 
all, to kill Russian soldiers.

Mr. Putin already sees NATO as committed to threaten or even destroy 
Russia through its support for Ukraine, as he has repeated in his recent 
speeches, even as he has raised the nuclear alert of his own forces to 
warn Europe and the United States of the risks of interference.
World wars have started over smaller conflicts, and the proximity of the 
war to NATO allies carries the danger that it could draw in other 
parties in unexpected ways.

Jens Stoltenberg, the NATO secretary-general, hit his constant themes 
again on Tuesday as he visited a Polish air base. “Putin’s war affects 
us all and NATO allies will always stand together to defend and protect 
each other,” he said. “Our commitment to Article 5, our collective 
defense clause, is ironclad.”

“There must be no space for miscalculation or misunderstanding,” Mr. 
Stoltenberg said last week. “We will do what it takes to defend every 
inch of NATO territory.”

But for now the fight is in Ukraine, and while NATO and the European 
Union have made it clear that their soldiers would not fight Russia 
there, they are actively engaged in helping the Ukrainians to defend 
themselves.

Western weaponry has been entering Ukraine in relatively large but 
undisclosed amounts for the last several days. If it can be deployed 
quickly, it will have impact.


Speed is of the essence as the Russian invasion of Ukraine proceeds and 
while Ukraine’s border with Poland remains open. Russian troops are 
trying to surround cities and cut off the bulk of the Ukrainian army 
east of the Dnieper River, which would make resupply much more difficult.
While 21 of the 27 European Union countries are also members of NATO, 
the effort to move equipment and weapons rapidly into Ukraine from 
Poland is being carried out by individual countries and is not formally 
either a NATO or E.U. operation.

The French say that the E.U.’s military staff is trying to coordinate 
the push. Britain and the United States are doing the same, setting up 
something called, deliberately blandly and neutrally, the International 
Donors Coordination Center. It is doubtful that Mr. Putin will be fooled 
by the name.


-- 
Bitt um Vrzihung, di Tast " " klmmt manchmal...

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Global Hawk Mike Grantz <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-03-01 11:30 +0100
  Re: Global Hawk Gunter Kühne <kuehne-g@freenet.de> - 2022-03-01 12:06 +0100
    Re: Global Hawk Mike Grantz <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-03-01 12:25 +0100
  Re: Global Hawk Mike Grantz <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-03-03 12:48 +0100
  Re: Global Hawk Frank Hucklenbroich <hucklenbroich@gmx.net> - 2022-03-03 16:29 +0100
    Waffenlieferungen (was: Global Hawk) "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-03-03 16:52 +0100
      Re: Waffenlieferungen (was: Global Hawk) "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-03-03 16:53 +0100
      Re: Waffenlieferungen "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-03-03 16:54 +0100
        Re: Waffenlieferungen Frank Hucklenbroich <hucklenbroich@gmx.net> - 2022-03-03 21:34 +0100
      Re: Waffenlieferungen Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2022-03-03 18:09 +0100
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                Re: Waffenlieferungen Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2022-03-05 19:07 +0100
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                Re: Waffenlieferungen Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2022-03-05 22:31 +0100
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                Re: Waffenlieferungen Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2022-03-06 00:54 +0100
                Re: Waffenlieferungen Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2022-03-06 02:32 +0100
                Re: Waffenlieferungen Mike Grantz <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-03-06 07:22 +0100
                Re: Waffenlieferungen Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2022-03-05 18:35 -0500
                Re: Waffenlieferungen Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2022-03-05 10:48 +0100
                Re: Waffenlieferungen Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2022-03-05 12:18 +0100
                Re: Waffenlieferungen Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2022-03-05 18:53 -0500
            Re: Waffenlieferungen Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-03-04 00:12 +0100
              Re: Waffenlieferungen Mike Grantz <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-03-04 05:43 +0100
            Re: Waffenlieferungen Mike Grantz <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-03-04 05:38 +0100
      Re: Waffenlieferungen Frank Hucklenbroich <hucklenbroich@gmx.net> - 2022-03-03 22:28 +0100
        Re: Waffenlieferungen Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-03-03 13:42 -0800
      Re: Waffenlieferungen Lothar Kimmeringer <news201705@kimmeringer.de> - 2022-03-03 22:31 +0100
        Re: Waffenlieferungen Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-03-04 00:22 +0100
          Re: Waffenlieferungen Mike Grantz <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-03-04 05:47 +0100
            Re: Waffenlieferungen Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-03-04 08:53 +0100
              Re: Waffenlieferungen Mike Grantz <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-03-04 10:08 +0100
          Re: Waffenlieferungen Lothar Kimmeringer <news201705@kimmeringer.de> - 2022-03-04 12:41 +0100
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        Re: Waffenlieferungen Mike Grantz <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-03-04 05:57 +0100
          Re: Waffenlieferungen Martin Ebert <mx300@gmx.net> - 2022-03-04 06:24 +0100
            Re: Waffenlieferungen Mike Grantz <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-03-04 06:57 +0100
              Re: Waffenlieferungen Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2022-03-04 09:42 -0500
            Re: Waffenlieferungen Fidel Sebastián Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse_Lara@b.maus.de> - 2022-03-04 08:20 -0500
  Re: Global Hawk Frank Hucklenbroich <hucklenbroich@gmx.net> - 2022-03-04 09:54 +0100
    Re: Global Hawk Mike Grantz <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-03-04 10:10 +0100
      Re: Global Hawk Frank Hucklenbroich <hucklenbroich@gmx.net> - 2022-03-04 21:14 +0100
        Re: Global Hawk Mike Grantz <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-03-05 05:55 +0100

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