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Re: 50 Years of Prolog Nonsense

From Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups comp.lang.prolog
Subject Re: 50 Years of Prolog Nonsense
Date 2022-01-29 16:56 +0100
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Pitty Logtalk isn't self hosting. So Logtalk
doesn't trust Logtalk as an implementation
language of the Logtalk transpiler?

Proof that it isn't self hosting, this here
is still Prolog and not Logtalk:

core compiler and runtime
https://github.com/LogtalkDotOrg/logtalk3/blob/master/core/core.pl

LoL

Today I had a little use case, where I could
use some object orientation or some such on
Dogelog Player. A style check, which works

against different data models. So a future
version of Dogelog Player would be self hosting
and object oriented?

Mostowski Collapse schrieb:
> Maybe Unix, with its C language, and then
> C-Prolog (1982) sent the wrong message.
> But sooner or later every programming
> 
> language will provide some pattern matching,
> and yearn to have Prolog logical variables.
> So maybe the wall is lower if other
> 
> programming languages were used like JavaScript
> or Python, that have some pattern matching,
> for example Python introduce a new match
> 
> control construct in release 3.10. So how
> is Tau Prolog classified:
> 
> "In other words, tProlog pursues a similar
> intent with respect to tuProlog and JIProlog:
> bringing Prolog interpreters to high-level
> platforms and languages, except it focuses
> on another platform, JavaScript."
> 
> This says nothing about the compiler and
> runtime architecture, its just a naive
> end-user view, of a blackbox.
> 
> Mostowski Collapse schrieb:
>> There is a fear that a Corona Wave will be like a wall,
>> in that it overruns the infrastructure like a Tsunami. But
>> implementing a prolog system not in 100% Prolog but
>>
>> in imperative language like C, even if its high-level like
>> Java, will also hit a wall. Its much more easier to add
>> functionality to a Prolog system if the Prolog
>>
>> system in 100% Prolog.
>>
>> Example:
>> TauProlog hasn't even a discontiguous check!
>>
>> LoL
>>
>> Mostowski Collapse schrieb:
>>>
>>> 50 Years of Prolog and Beyond
>>> 26 Jan 2022 - SWOT analysis
>>> https://arxiv.org/abs/2201.10816
>>>
>>> No mention of self-hosting systems? Like the AQUARIUS
>>> Prolog system. I am not sure whether it was 100% self-hosting,
>>> but had many parts written in Prolog itself, interpreter and compiler:
>>>
>>> Aquarius Prolog 1.0
>>> https://www.info.ucl.ac.be/~pvr/aquarius.html
>>>
>>> What is self-hosting? See Wikipedia:
>>>
>>> "In computer programming, self-hosting is the use of a
>>> program as part of the toolchain or operating system that
>>> produces new versions of that same program—for example,
>>> a compiler that can compile its own source code."
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-hosting_%28compilers%29
>>>
>>> Why isn't Prolog listed there?
>>>
>>
>

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        Re: How Prolog became an education nightmare (Was: 50 Years of Prolog Nonsense) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-11-14 05:14 +0100
          Re: How Prolog became an education nightmare (Was: 50 Years of Prolog Nonsense) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-11-14 05:24 +0100
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