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Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9

From Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.space.policy, sci.physics, sci.astro
Subject Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9
Date 2016-07-12 17:46 -0700
Organization is for people who don't have real work to do
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I note that you've carefully deleted all context from my remarks, you
intellectually dishonest cunt.

jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
><snip>
>
> 
>> I never said any such thing.  Please stop listening to the little
>> voices in your head AND READ THE BLOODY WORDS.
>
>The words as you choose to define them after the fact.
>
><snip>
>
>> I also deny that I'm the love child of Hitler and Mussolini.  I deny
>> it because it's hogwash, like what your little voices are telling you.
>
>Childish attack mode when backed into a corner.
>
><snip>
> 
>> I've said no such thing.  You really cannot read simple English, can
>> you?
>
>You actually insisted it must be so. Do you not read your own "BLOODY WORDS"?
>
><snip>
>
>> True, but irrelevant.  It goes back to the start of the thread
>> (obviously) which is 'all along' in the context of the discussion.
>
>Backed into a corner and grasping at symantic.
>
>> You started it, Chimp.  Now when it's done back to you it's "childish
>> insults".  That pretty much says it all.  Giant Ego thinks it gets a
>> different set of rules.
>
>Backed into a corner and in attack mode.
>
>All this started when I commented on someone else's post. You are the
>one that jumped in with both feet.
>
><snip>
>
>>>Rockets do not have anything to do with aircraft certification.
>>>
>> 
>> Who said it did?  The only thing in need of 'certification' here
>> appears to be you.
>
>You are the one that brought up "fucking rockets".
>
>Are ""fucking rockets" different than any other kind of rockets?
>
><snip>
>
>> Still unable to read English and listening to the tiny voices in your
>> head, are you?
>
>Still trying to spin and deny what you have said over and over?
>
><snip>
>
>> Precisely.  You were the one wanking on as if they were required.
>
>What were required?
>
>>>Maintenance manuals written by sane people say what to do, the do NOT
>>>say what NOT to do.
>>>
>> 
>> Actually, that's not quite true.  Look for all those coloured boxes
>> labeled "Warning" and "Caution".
>
>Which have nothing to do with not inspecting something.
>
>BTW I have never seen either a colored or coloured box labeled "Warning"
>or "Caution" in an aircraft maintenance manual.
>
>>>This is just more childish twaddle for the sake of arguement.
>>>
>> 
>> Good of you to label your output, but I think folks have figured you
>> out by now.
>
>See above about colored boxes.
>
><snip>
>
>> Yes, and you say the 100 hours inspections actually add up to a 12
>> month inspection, too.  So you only check engine oil and tires every
>> 100 hours?  Even if they only need it every 300 hours?
>
>Actually, oil and tires are checked every time before flight during the
>preflight inspection, which has NOTHING to do with the maintenance
>manual, as it is part of the operational manual.
>
>But since you know nothing about aviation I would not expect you to
>know that.
>
>> Your answer will no doubt be that those items would then only be
>> included in every third 100 hour inspection.  AND WHERE DOES THAT
>> NUMBER TRACE BACK TO?
>
>What number?
>
><snip>
>
>> Yes, and you say the 100 hours inspections actually add up to a 12
>> month inspection, too.  So you only check engine oil and tires every
>> 100 hours?  Even if they only need it every 300 hours?
>
>Actually, oil and tires are checked every time before flight during the
>preflight inspection, which has NOTHING to do with the maintenance
>manual, as it is part of the operational manual.
>
>> Your answer will no doubt be that those items would then only be
>> included in every third 100 hour inspection.  AND WHERE DOES THAT
>> NUMBER TRACE BACK TO?
>
>What number?
>
><snip>
>
>> And how do you arrive at your conclusions about how frequently a given
>> item must be tested?  Where do those numbers trace back to?
>
>Nothing is tested during on going maintenance, it is inspected at
>least once in 12 months.
>
>> Yes, and you say the 100 hours inspections actually add up to a 12
>> month inspection, too.  So you only check engine oil and tires every
>> 100 hours?  Even if they only need it every 300 hours?
>
>Actually, oil and tires are checked every time before flight during the
>preflight inspection, which has NOTHING to do with the maintenance
>manual, as it is part of the operational manual.
>
>> Your answer will no doubt be that those items would then only be
>> included in every third 100 hour inspection.  AND WHERE DOES THAT
>> NUMBER TRACE BACK TO?
>
>What number?
>
><snip>
>
>> Yes, and you say the 100 hours inspections actually add up to a 12
>> month inspection, too.  So you only check engine oil and tires every
>> 100 hours?  Even if they only need it every 300 hours?
>
>Actually, oil and tires are checked every time before flight during the
>preflight inspection, which has NOTHING to do with the maintenance
>manual, as it is part of the operational manual.
>
>> Your answer will no doubt be that those items would then only be
>> included in every third 100 hour inspection.  AND WHERE DOES THAT
>> NUMBER TRACE BACK TO?
>
>What number?
>
><snip>
>
>> Your answer will no doubt be that those items would then only be
>> included in every third 100 hour inspection.  AND WHERE DOES THAT
>> NUMBER TRACE BACK TO?
>
>What number?
>
><snip>
>
>>>Tell that to the FAA.
>>>
>> 
>> It certainly sounds like someone should, but I suspect that's already
>> been done and it doesn't actually work the braindead way you make it
>> sound like it works.
>
>You have no clue how any of it works because you know nothing about
>aviation and all the regulations that govern it and are basing everything
>you say on what YOU think things should be.
>
>The FAA bases the requirments on about a century worth of accumulated
>knowledge which seems to be working pretty well and when something
>isn't working, the regulations are changed.
>
><snip>
>
>>>> You still don't seem to get that it's possible to put in a higher
>>>> periodicity of maintenance part and SAVE maintenance hours overall.
>>>
>>>That has never been shown to be true in the entire history of aviation.
>>>
>> 
>> Bullshit.  Now you're just making shit up.
>
>So show some actual data or shut the fuck up about it.
>
>> Let us suppose that I have a bunch of cables and pulleys and such that
>> require annual maintenance.  Let's say there are 10 of them and each
>> cable requires 10 hours of maintenance a year, for a total maintenance
>> requirement per year of 100 hours.  Suppose further that each cable
>> must be replaced every 5 years for an additional 25 hours per cable.
>> Now suppose that I replace all those cables with a set of cable runs
>> that only require a 5 hour inspection every 5 years and never require
>> replacement, a set of 10 motors that only require a 1 hour inspection
>> every year, and a control computer for the whole works that requires a
>> 5 minute inspection/test every 100 hours.  
>
>A total fair tale scenario that also shows you know nothing about how
>aircraft systems work.
>
>> Original maintenance budget over 5 years was 750 hours.  Maintenance
>> budget with the 'high inspection' computer is less than 700 hours and
>> almost all of that is the result of those 5 minute computer checks
>> (and assuming a preposterously high flight rate).  Since it's a 5
>> minute check it can be done overnight.  Maintenance time reduced by
>> adding a preposterously high periodicity check.
>
>In your fairy tale world, but not in the real world of aviation.
>
>For starters, for airplanes with cables, the cable would be checked
>for slack or play around the pulleys and the pulleys would be inspected
>for wear. As cables come in pairs, you would do both at the same time
>and it would take all of about a minute. The idea of having a computer
>contolled cable and pulley system in an airplane is just ludicrous.
>
><snip giant pile of nonsense spew>
>
>> Whether it needs it or not.  And how do you decide just which bits
>> need it every 100 hours?  Periodicity must be specified SOMEWHERE for
>> that part.  You say the maintenance manual doesn't have it, so where
>> is it?
>
>FAA requlations.
>
><snip>
>
>>>> Every 12 months whether it needs it or not and whether that's too long
>>>> or not.  Yeah, right.
>>>
>>>Yeah, right, it is the fucking law.
>>>
>> 
>> Then the law, sir, is an ass.
>
>So here we have it, McCrap who knows nothing about aviation knows better
>what is to be done than the FAA with about a century's worth of
>accumulated knowledge and thousands of actual aviation professionals.
>
><snip remaining crap>

-- 
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
 your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
                             -- Mark Twain

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                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 nj_kruse@me.com (Niels Jørgen Kruse) - 2016-07-03 11:24 +0200
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 20:57 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 bob haller <hallerb@aol.com> - 2016-07-05 04:40 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-07-06 06:44 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-07-07 14:00 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> - 2016-07-07 18:39 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-07-07 23:06 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 02:57 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-07-08 06:52 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-07-08 06:47 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 17:21 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> - 2016-07-05 17:14 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-07-05 13:33 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 23:31 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-07-05 15:29 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 23:34 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-22 18:51 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 00:35 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-22 18:26 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 00:32 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-21 22:39 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-22 05:01 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 13:50 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-22 18:25 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 15:07 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-22 18:11 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-22 23:31 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-22 20:15 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 05:05 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-23 05:50 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 10:22 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-23 17:54 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 15:24 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-23 22:58 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-24 05:47 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-24 16:03 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-24 22:56 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-25 08:54 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-25 14:21 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-25 16:33 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 23:32 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 20:41 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 20:35 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-01 05:56 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 17:32 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 01:03 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 19:56 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 05:34 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 14:27 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 23:20 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 21:41 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-03 05:56 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 20:53 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-05 06:11 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 17:12 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-08 01:12 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-09 02:08 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-09 17:23 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 11:38 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-10 19:57 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 00:35 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-11 15:59 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 10:01 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-12 18:29 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 18:09 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-13 03:14 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-07-02 23:03 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-03 05:57 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-24 22:44 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-25 08:57 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 bob haller <hallerb@aol.com> - 2016-06-25 06:10 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-25 16:13 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-25 16:41 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-25 16:48 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-25 14:31 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-25 16:39 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-25 16:43 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-26 00:05 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-26 15:40 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Dr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-06-27 21:31 +0100
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-28 06:18 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-26 22:29 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 23:36 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 23:28 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 00:26 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 12:36 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 06:31 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> - 2016-06-21 15:37 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-21 18:27 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:11 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-21 09:02 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 07:59 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jonathan <writeInstead@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 05:12 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 20:55 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-07-05 06:06 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:04 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-20 21:59 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-21 01:42 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-21 06:21 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-21 13:36 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 06:34 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-21 13:54 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 10:24 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 07:42 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:12 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 04:30 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-18 12:45 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 08:37 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-18 14:27 -0400
              Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 04:18 -0700
            Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-17 06:25 -0400
            Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 08:12 -0400
              Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-20 13:57 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 11:05 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-20 21:47 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-20 22:34 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:17 -0700
  Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 17:53 -0700
  Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 bob haller <hallerb@aol.com> - 2016-06-18 15:09 -0700
    Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-19 15:55 -0400
      Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-19 22:05 -0400
        Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-19 22:40 -0400

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