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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Newsgroups | sci.space.policy, sci.physics, sci.astro |
| Subject | Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 |
| Date | 2016-07-08 01:03 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <ooa35d-ic9.ln1@mail.specsol.com> (permalink) |
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In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> >>>><snip> >>>> >>>>>>What I said was that a manufacturer may impose in it's maintenance >>>>>>procedures inspections/replacements at shorter intervals than the >>>>>>FAA regulations. Note the use of the word "may". That means they >>>>>>do not have to do that. This has nothing to do with FAA regulations. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So the FAA would be fine if a manufacturer came in and just said "We >>>>> don't need no steenking inspections"? Yeah, sure. >>>> >>>>Yes, that is correct, meaning no special inspections beyond the minimum >>>>required by the FAA for ALL airplanes, which is basically: >>>> >>>>An annual inspection or if flown with other than required crew for hire >>>>or flight instruction for hire 100 hour inspections in a plan that during >>>>the course of 12 months covers all the items of an annual inspection. >>>> >>>><snip> >>>> >>> >>> And just what do they inspect? >>> >> >>Basically everything that can wear, crack, corrode, or get out of >>calibration, such as: compression in a piston engine, wear in cables >>and pullys, hinges, altimeter accuracy, structural cracks or corrosion, >>tires, deicing boots, door and hatch latches, etc. >> >>The exactly what for modern aircraft is detailed in the manufacturers >>maintenance manual which is a required item for certification in the >>first place. >> > > In other words, the engineers decide what needs to be inspected and > how frequently based on performance estimates. Not quite. The maintenance manual details what equipment the aircraft actually has, e.g. retractable gear, deicing boots, hydraulic actuated control surfaces, etc.. The manufacturer MAY require an inspection of some system on a more stringent schedule than required by the FAA, but that is not generally done as people generally do not wish to own high maintenance aircraft. It is the engineers at the FAA that have decided that 100 hour progressive inspections are what is required for commercial aircraft carrying passengers. An individual item on an aircraft on a 100 hour inspection schedule is not likely to be inspected more than once during a 12 month interval. >>>>> So if someone builds something that is an advance on state of the art >>>>> FAA has no inspections ever? Or do they do stupid things like require >>>>> "inspect wing rivets every X hours of flight" and for the new airplane >>>>> the result is always "Yes, still hasn't grown any wing rivets". >>>> >>>>See above; annual or 100 hours. >>>> >>>>As to WHAT gets inspected, that is spelled out in the Part of 14 CFR >>>>that covers the type of aircraft and how it is operated and is the >>>>same for ALL aircraft of a specifice type, e.g. turbine transport, >>>>and type of operation, e.g. carriage of passengers. >>>> >>>><snip> >>>> >>> >>> So if I build a passenger airliner that uses a brand new type of >>> turbofan and totally different structural materials, I get the same >>> inspection? >>> >>> I don't think so. One of the problems that Beech had with the >>> Starship was that the FAA couldn't pull their head out of their ass to >>> certify different construction. >> >>That is part of the certification process, not on going inspections. >> > > But you just said above that what requires ongoing inspection is part > of certification. Not only that, but you're 'correcting' what I said > to be, well, what I said. The DOCUMENTATION of what requires ongoing inspection is part of certification. That does not mean it will be inspected during certification. >>>>>>The same thing it does for all airplanes in the certification category, >>>>>>which is based on the cumulative history of aircraft since 1926. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So you'll have the new airplane inspecting things that don't exist and >>>>> not looking at things that matter. Yeah, I believe *YOU* would do >>>>> that. >>>> >>>>What part of "cumulative history" did you not understand? The FAA is >>>>aware of things like piston engines and turbine engines and sets >>>>the requirements accordingly. >>>> >>>><snip> >>>> >>> >>> And which part of "people develop new shit so there is no 'cummulative >>> history'" did you not understand? >> >>What part of certification and inspection are two different things >>did you not understand? >> > > What part of your own statement that "what gets inspected is part of > the certification package" is it that you're waffling on now? What part of the DOCUMENTATION of what requires ongoing inspection is part of certification is it you do not understand? That means the maker has to write and submit a maintenance manual. It does NOT mean the maker does any of it. >>>>>>And this method applies to all FAA regulations, including things like >>>>>>how often must a commercial pilot of age 45 get a medical and what >>>>>>medical conditions are significant to pilot performance. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I wasn't aware that pilots were built into the airplanes. >>>> >>>>I never said they were, what I said was the method for determining >>>>how often things are required to be done is based on history accumulated >>>>since 1926. >>>> >>>><snip> >>>> >>> >>> Which is great if you're flying aircraft designed and developed in >>> 1926. And that's not what you said. The technology of 'pilots' >>> hasn't changed much since Ikarus. The technology of aircraft, on the >>> other hand... >> >>Medical standards have changed a lot since flying began, e.g. the upper >>level for uncontrolled blood pressure was changed just a few years ago. >> > > But the thing being inspected has not. You really don't read English > very well, do you? Well, yes things have changed alot in the past few decades. What the FAA expects for composite skin versus aluminum skin versus linen skin are all different. Composite skin is a relatively new thing. ADS-B equipment is a very new thing. >>>>>>I'd say you never had to deal with 14 CFR. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quite right, since you say engineering has nothing to do with it. >>>> >>>>I never said that either, what I said was that things are determined >>>>from accumulated history. >>>> >>> >>> And you duck the question I've asked several times now, of just what >>> they do when there is no 'accumulated history'. I know what they do, >>> from having watched what happened with the Beech Starship. They >>> dither and try to avoid the question, just like you do here. >> >>Again, you are talking about the certification process which has absolutely >>nothing to do with the on going inspection process. >> > > Well, it has "absolutely nothing to do with it" except that "The > exactly what [gets inspected] for modern aircraft is detailed in the > manufacturers maintenance manual which is a required item for > certification in the first place." The GENERATION of the manufacturers maintenance manual is a required item for certification. Actually performing all the steps in it is not. As for what happens when new technology appears, consult part 15 of 14 CFR which details certification for transport aircraft. Here is a SMALL part of it: 25.307 Proof of structure. "(a) Compliance with the strength and deformation requirements of this subpart must be shown for each critical loading condition. Structural analysis may be used only if the structure conforms to that for which experience has shown this method to be reliable. In other cases, substantiating tests must be made to load levels that are sufficient to verify structural behavior up to loads specified in 25.305." Which means if you are using something that has lots of engineering history such as aluminum, you use industry standard analysis techniques, but if you are using some brand new composite material for which there is little to no engineering history, you have to do real testing. >>>>If you think real hard about it instead of knee jerking, you might be >>>>able to deduct what sort of people analyze all that accumulated history >>>>and set standards based on the analysis. >>>> >>> >>> It's a simple concept. If something is 'new' there is no 'accumulated >>> history'. So what the fuck does the FAA do then, other than duck the >>> question? >> >>There is the certification process, which again, has nothing to do with >>the on going inspection process. >> > > > Well, it has "absolutely nothing to do with it" except that "The > exactly what [gets inspected] for modern aircraft is detailed in the > manufacturers maintenance manual which is a required item for > certification in the first place." And one more time, the GENERATION of the manufacturers maintenance manual is a required item for certification, but not the performance of it. Do you understand the difference between generating a document and performing the actions in a document? >>Getting something new, such as a never before used construction material, >>means the certification process becomes extremely complex as the maker >>has to prove, through extensive testing, that the material actually works. >> > > Oh, the manufacturer may have to do far more than that. See 25.307 14 CFR above. >>The FAA may do things like require hundreds of hours of test flights, >>i.e. accumulate history, before certifying the aircraft. >> > > And they 'accumulate history' by inspecting what? Rumour has it that > "exactly what [gets inspected] for modern aircraft is detailed in the > manufacturers maintenance manual which is a required item for > certification in the first place". See 25.307 14 CFR above. And one more time, the GENERATION of the manufacturers maintenance manual is a required item for certification, but not the performance of it. Do you understand the difference between generating a document and performing the actions in a document? -- Jim Pennino
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Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 23:31 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-07-05 15:29 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 23:34 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-22 18:51 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 00:35 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-22 18:26 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 00:32 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-21 22:39 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-22 05:01 +0000
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 13:50 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-22 18:25 +0000
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 15:07 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-22 18:11 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-22 23:31 +0000
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-22 20:15 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 05:05 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-23 05:50 +0000
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 10:22 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-23 17:54 +0000
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 15:24 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-23 22:58 +0000
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-24 05:47 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-24 16:03 +0000
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-24 22:56 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-25 08:54 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-25 14:21 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-25 16:33 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 23:32 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 20:41 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 20:35 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-01 05:56 +0000
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 17:32 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 01:03 +0000
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 19:56 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 05:34 +0000
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 14:27 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 23:20 +0000
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 21:41 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-03 05:56 +0000
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 20:53 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-05 06:11 +0000
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 17:12 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-08 01:12 +0000
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-09 02:08 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-09 17:23 +0000
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 11:38 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-10 19:57 +0000
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 00:35 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-11 15:59 +0000
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 10:01 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-12 18:29 +0000
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 18:09 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-13 03:14 +0000
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-07-02 23:03 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-03 05:57 +0000
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-24 22:44 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-25 08:57 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 bob haller <hallerb@aol.com> - 2016-06-25 06:10 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-25 16:13 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-25 16:41 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-25 16:48 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-25 14:31 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-25 16:39 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-25 16:43 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-26 00:05 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-26 15:40 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Dr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-06-27 21:31 +0100
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-28 06:18 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-26 22:29 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 23:36 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 23:28 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 00:26 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 12:36 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 06:31 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> - 2016-06-21 15:37 +0000
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-21 18:27 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:11 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-21 09:02 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 07:59 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jonathan <writeInstead@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 05:12 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 20:55 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-07-05 06:06 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:04 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-20 21:59 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-21 01:42 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-21 06:21 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-21 13:36 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 06:34 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-21 13:54 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 10:24 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 07:42 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:12 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 04:30 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-18 12:45 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 08:37 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-18 14:27 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 04:18 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-17 06:25 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 08:12 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-20 13:57 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 11:05 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-20 21:47 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-20 22:34 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:17 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 17:53 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 bob haller <hallerb@aol.com> - 2016-06-18 15:09 -0700
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-19 15:55 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-19 22:05 -0400
Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-19 22:40 -0400
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